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benalast Monday at 10:22 PM2 repliesview on HN

To paraphrase Jean Luc Picard: Am I conscious? Why? Can you prove that I am conscious?


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Edman274last Monday at 10:57 PM

Maybe Jean Luc Picard should've lost that court case. Obviously we as the audience want to have our heroes win against some super callous guy who wants to kill our hero (and audience stand in for anyone who is neurodivergent) Data, but the argument was pretty weak, because Data often acted in completely alien ways that jeopardized the safety of the crew, and the way that those issues came up was due to him doing things that were not compatible with what we perceive as consciousness. But also, in that episode, they make a point of trying to prove that he was conscious by showing that he engaged in behavior that wasn't goal oriented, like keeping keepsakes and mementos of his friends, his previous relationship with Tasha, and his relationship with his cat. That was an attempt at proving that he was conscious too, but the argument from doubt is tough because how can you prove that a rock is not conscious - and if that can't be proved, should we elevate human rights to a rock?

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beefletlast Monday at 10:27 PM

consciousness is the feeling of self awareness. I suppose you could prove it as much as any other feeling, by observing the way that people behave

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