Who are these “Israel haters” on HN you’re referring to?

There are plenty of us on HN who believe in the Israeli peoples’ human rights just as seriously as we support those of the children of Gaza, too.

Those of us who actually care about civilized society, human rights, and international law also consider that there are plenty of Israeli citizens who are, themselves, victims of their own states acts of terrorism as well.

You are responsible for the crimes of your state, citizen. No amount of chicken-waving is going to absolve you of that fact.

The point of discussing the heinous nature of the pager attack is to prevent the precedent set by that attack from taking further victims.

It is not in the interests of Israeli citizens to have their war-crime committing state subjugate their societies’ commercial institutions to commit further atrocities.

Can't agree more. it's really easy to be the judge of Israel when you are far away from here and the only war you've experienced is on TV and movies. what's even funnier is that some of the comments here are made by people living in the US, who hasn't fought a defensive war since WW2, started more wars than any other country even though it's protected by almost a trillion dollar military budget and two oceans. oh, and it pretty much eradicated native Americans.

actually i think those that have the most beef with israel are very much in the region.

When you increasingly lose the court of public opinion, you resort to this sort of gaslighting.

Because the Israeli Hasbara is now failing at this gaslighting strategy, you're leveling ad hominems towards people who see this as what it is - decades of war crimes and a humanitarian crisis.

So either come up with a proper argument, or stay quiet. Gaslighting us into thinking we're being biased, or that we're ill informed, just isn't going to work anymore.