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blintzyesterday at 6:37 PM1 replyview on HN

> I think the whole point is that some people would be forced to use it due to other standards picking previously-standardized ciphers. He explains and cites examples of this in the past.

If an organization wants to force its clients or servers to use pure ML-KEM, they can already do this using any means they like. The standardization of a TLS ciphersuite is besides the point.

> He comes with historical and procedural evidence of bad faith. Why is this ridiculous?

Yes, the NSA has nefariously influenced standards processes. That does not mean that in each and every standards process (especially the ones that don't go your way) you can accuse everyone who disagrees with you, on the merits, of having some ulterior motive or secret relationship with the NSA. That is exactly what he has done repeatedly, both on his blog and on the list.

> why wouldn't you equate that to working for the NSA (or something equally bad)?

For the simple reason that you should not accuse another person of working for the NSA without real proof of that! The standard of proof for an accusation like that cannot be "you disagree with me".


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dataflowyesterday at 7:08 PM

> The standard of proof for an accusation like that cannot be "you disagree with me".

How is that the standard he's applying, though? Just reading his post, it's clearly "you're blatantly and repeatedly lying, and distorting the facts, and not even addressing my arguments". Surely "you disagree with me" is not an accurate characterization of this?