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stack_framertoday at 3:51 AM5 repliesview on HN

I dropped out after my university added various "studies" courses to the required list.

I took just one such course—gender studies—which was utterly abysmal. There was zero tolerance for debating ideas or considering opposing viewpoints. You either assimilated with the group think, or you were castigated for your heresy. It was indoctrination, not education.


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jpalawagatoday at 9:06 AM

I will give you an upvote to offset the negative expressions. I've heard of at least one instance at a very well known Bay Area university in such a class.

From what was described to me, and I trust this person to not misrepresent their experience, was that they were essentially told 'hi, cis white male, sit down and don't say a damn thing, this isn't your place to talk'. And then go on to essentially present a curriculum that was essentially a myriad of thinly-veiled misandry, compounded by extremely clear classroom rules/culture where any opposition was decidedly unwanted by the lecturers.

I'm the first to champion equal rights and equal opportunity, but that that sort of thing was going on in higher ed left a bad taste in my mouth.

mapontoseventhstoday at 4:24 AM

Which viewpoint did you oppose? It matters.

If it was "Women should be allowed to vote" I can understand the teachers reluctance to engage in debate.

fzeroracertoday at 9:33 AM

When I see posts like this, it reminds me of when I went to community college. I was working towards an associate degree to transfer to a larger university which saved both money and allowed me to bypass some of the admission issues. One of the classes I was taking was a Gen Ed class around the philosophy of religion. I was an especially strong atheist at the time, and this class involved a well-rounded discussion and examination of religions from across the world as well as debates around our religious beliefs.

By the end of the class I had softened on my stance a bit (though still an atheist), and I saw multiple Christians get up, walk out of the class mid-lecture and never come back. Not all of them mind you, but a few of them took such great offense at the class even mentioning other religions that they left, and some really couldn't handle any sort of debate or discussion.

anonymouskimmertoday at 4:06 AM

You may have had a bad instructor. I don't think I've ever been in a class where I couldn't do some genuine questioning, but of course I didn't always feel the need to do so.

Edit to add: Also, you failed to learn the lesson that you can't always quit in the face of tyranny. Did you never have a history or civics class in high school?

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lapcattoday at 4:24 AM

I have a hard time believing this story. You seriously dropped out because you didn't like one class? That doesn't seem to show much fortitude.

Which university, which year was this, what was your major, and what happened with your education and/or career after you dropped out?

And what precisely do you mean by "castigated," in your specific case?

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