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sphtoday at 11:53 AM9 repliesview on HN

“Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times. Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times.”

History, just like everything else in Nature, is cyclical.


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Antibabelictoday at 12:17 PM

Notably, this quote makes actual historians cringe. But hey, if it sounds cool it must be the Truth!

ahokatoday at 12:07 PM

I hate this quote as it is usually recited by those “weak men”.

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logicchainstoday at 11:57 AM

People who forget the hard lessons their ancestors learned are doomed to repeat their mistakes.

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drcongotoday at 1:29 PM

If there's one thing everyone can agree on, it's that Hitler really brought the good times for the people of Germany.

meindnochtoday at 12:25 PM

That's deep bro! I think this was coined by Joe Rogan, right?

user____nametoday at 12:36 PM

Cyclical, like my eyes rolling in my sockets every time I read this quote.

andrepdtoday at 12:17 PM

That is an extremely shallow phrase, usually quoted by people who have nothing to add except an appeal to "the good old times" when "men were men".

So is the idea that "history is cyclical". It's literally the bell curve meme, and you're in the middle x)

js8today at 12:33 PM

It's a protofascist phrase, part of the problems we have is people adopting this worldview, that life has to be hard in order to create "good men". It's used to defend rightwing social darwinism.

If anything, history goes the other way around. Fascism ("strong men") comes from good times, as a reaction. They create authoritarianism and discrimination ("bad times"), which slowly liberalizes and equalizes (gives rise to "weak men"). This makes situation better until another fascist takeover.

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brushfoottoday at 12:48 PM

If this obnoxious and seemingly ubiquitous platitude were actually true, then torture would be a moral duty. Enforced poverty would be a moral duty. Governments would be obligated to regularly arrange mass starvations for their citizens.

I don't believe it. Personally, I think spiritual weakness and religious corruption are more likely culprits -- and not necessarily the type of spirituality or religion that you might be thinking of.

Either way, "good times" is a dangerous place to put the blame. It relieves us of responsibility for our own catastrophes (it was the good times' fault), and it makes us suspicious of prosperity and happiness.

Good times are not evil. We don't need to shun them, provided we keep strengthening the better angels of our nature.