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jpalawagatoday at 3:44 PM7 repliesview on HN

One of the great powers of federalism is not having to duplicate efforts for every state. It also reduces cost by allowing 'one-size-fits-all' and economies of scale, rather than each state having its own bespoke whatever.

Many countries around the world enjoy the benefits of coordinated public health departments. Part of the United States' poor response to COVID was because there was no central public health department that could work closely with state agencies to e.g. provide data about what's going on, share best clinical practices, etc. Each state is an island.

So no, I don't agree that the only goal of the federal government should be piggy bank. States should have a lot of latitude with their policies, but generally standardizing things across the nation would be a net positive.


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bryanlarsentoday at 5:40 PM

There's a massively underused middle ground -- instead of 1 or 50 different systems we could have a small N. One example would be emissions standards, where N is basically 2 -- the federal standard and the California standard, with some states choosing to use the California standard instead of the federal standard. This happens because that's their only 2 choices because of weird historical events, but imagine it happening by deliberate choice where the other states co-operate more with California in setting the more restrictive standard. States should be co-operating more often.

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bombcartoday at 3:50 PM

Many countries around the world are the size of US States. The UK and Germany are only twice the size of California, for example.

The problem in the US isn't that we can't do things, it's that nobody can agree on what to do. And to solve that problem, let states do their own thing as much as we can, and it'll become obvious where the good systems are.

Or in other words, an argument needs to be made why the EU "works" with individual "states" doing their own thing, but the US cannot "work" unless it's considered as one large country.

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triceratopstoday at 4:20 PM

You said

> generally standardizing things across the nation would be a net positive.

The person you replied to said

> federal... should be restricted to providing...basic guidelines that have to be met

You may be closer in opinion than you realize.

Btw what the person you responded to described is how the Canadian healthcare system - which many liberal-type Americans on Reddit appear to admire - works. The federal government sets standards and provides some funding. The provinces implement it their own way.

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giantg2today at 4:07 PM

"Many countries around the world enjoy the benefits of coordinated public health departments."

Many countries around the world are the size of a single state and lack the geographic diversity of the US.

Taikonerdtoday at 3:53 PM

> there was no central public health department

If only we had some sort of federal Center in charge of Disease Control... ;-)

But I agree with you that the CDC was weirdly passive during COVID. You'd think it would have been their moment to shine.

stronglikedantoday at 3:48 PM

> rather than each state having its own bespoke whatever

that's states' rights and it's enshrined in the constitution

> the only goal of the federal government should be piggy bank

that is indeed the only goal that the founders had in mind, as it should be

potato3732842today at 4:35 PM

>One of the great powers of federalism is not having to duplicate efforts for every state. It also reduces cost by allowing 'one-size-fits-all' and economies of scale, rather than each state having its own bespoke whatever.

One of the great failings caused by federalism and those who simp for it is that when a bad solution is arrived upon or a solution becomes outdated immeasurable suffering is caused and prolonged by not letting those states who want to try and improve do so.

There were a dozen states who were on the precipice of having this solved before the feds stuck their dick in it. Remember Romneycare?