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IsTomtoday at 10:58 AM1 replyview on HN

> What's the motivation or goal? And why that goal is pursued? What is the force behind seeking of that goal?

There's no force and there's no goal. These things happen because every moment is a direct consequence of the previous one.


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lo_zamoyskitoday at 11:35 AM

> there's no goal

Try talking about biological operations without invoking “function”. Claiming it’s “convenient” to do so doesn’t cut it: convenient for what?

Why do acorns become oak trees? They must be causally ordered toward that end. That’s telos.

Even efficient causality presupposes telos. Why does striking a match against a matchbox consistently produce fire? Because the match has a causal ordering toward that end. Otherwise, you could not explain why fire consistently results as opposed to random things like a flock of seagulls or a BMW 7 Series…or nothing at all.

Telos is not necessarily a matter of some external purpose or Paley-style watchmaker. That’s mechanistic metaphysics appealing to a watchmaker to explain a purpose things would - under that metaphysics - inherently lack. It is a matter of causal order and directedness.

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