>Do you have any actual evidence of this?

Apart from the exfiltration of data, the complete absence of any savings or efficiencies, and the fact that DOGE closed as soon as the exfiltration was over?

>Corporations and governments are made of actual people.

And we know how well that goes.

>"the state" doesn't have one grand agenda for enslavement.

The government doesn't. The people who own the government clearly do. If they didn't they'd be working hard to increase economic freedom, lower debt, invest in public health, make education better and more affordable, make it easier to start and run a small business, limit the power of corporations and big money, and clamp down on extractive wealth inequality.

They are very very clearly and obviously doing the opposite of all of these things.

And they have a history of links to the old slave states, and both a commercial and personal interest in neo-slavery - such as for-profit prisons, among other examples.

All of this gets sold as "freedom", but even Orwell had that one worked out.

Those who have been paying attention to how election fixers like SCL/Cambridge Analytica work(ed) know where the bodies are buried. The whole point of these operations is to use personalised, individual data profiling to influence voting political behaviour, by creating messaging that triggers individual responses that can be aggregated into a pattern of mass influence leveraged through social media.

> > DOGE wasn't an audit. It was an excuse to exfiltrate mountains of your sensitive data into their secret models and into places like Palantir

> Do you have any actual evidence of this?

I will not comment on motives, but DOGE absolutely shredded the safeguards and firewalls that were created to protect privacy and prevent dangerous and unlawful aggregations of sensitive personal data.

They obtained accesses that would have taken months by normal protocols and would have been outright denied in most cases, and then used it with basically zero oversight or accountability.

It was a huge violation of anything resembling best practices from both a technological and bureaucratic perspective.

> Berulis said he and his colleagues grew even more alarmed when they noticed nearly two dozen login attempts from a Russian Internet address (83.149.30,186) that presented valid login credentials for a DOGE employee account

> “Whoever was attempting to log in was using one of the newly created accounts that were used in the other DOGE related activities and it appeared they had the correct username and password due to the authentication flow only stopping them due to our no-out-of-country logins policy activating,” Berulis wrote. “There were more than 20 such attempts, and what is particularly concerning is that many of these login attempts occurred within 15 minutes of the accounts being created by DOGE engineers.”

https://krebsonsecurity.com/2025/04/whistleblower-doge-sipho...

I’m surprised this didn’t make bigger news.

> Corporations and governments are made of actual people.

Corporations and governments are made up of processes which are carried out by people. The people carrying out those processes don't decide what they are.

> "Don't attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence"

What's the difference when the mass support for incompetence is indiscernible from malice?

What does the difference between Zuckerberg being an evil mastermind vs Zuckerberg being a greedy simpleton actually matter if the end result is the same ultra-financialization mixed with an oppressive surveillance apparatus?

CNN just struck a deal with Kalshi. We're betting on world events. At this point the incompetence shouldn't be considered different from malice. This isn't someone forgetting to return a library book, these are people with real power making real lasting effects on real lives. If they're this incompetent with this much power, that power should be taken away.

> "Don't attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence"

I don't think there's anything that cannot be explained by incompetence, so this statement is moot. If it walks like malice, quacks like malice, it's malice.

> Corporations and governments are made of actual people.

Hand-waving away the complex incentives these superhuman structures follow & impose.

The number of responses that could have just been "no I don't" is remarkable.

> "Don't attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence"

To add to that, never be shocked at the level of incompetence.

> Do you have any actual evidence of this?

There was a bunch of news on data leaks out at the time.

https://cybernews.com/security/whistleblower-doge-data-leak-...

https://www.thedailybeast.com/doge-goons-dump-millions-of-so...

https://securityboulevard.com/2025/04/whistleblower-musks-do...

But one example:

“A cybersecurity specialist with the U.S. National Labor Relations Board is saying that technologist with Elon Musk’s cost-cutting DOGE group may have caused a security breach after illegally removing sensitive data from the agency’s servers and trying to cover their tracks.

In a lengthy testimonial sent to the Senate Intelligence Committee and made public this week, Daniel Berulis said in sworn whistleblower complaint that soon after the workers with President Trump’s DOGE (Department of Government Efficiency) came into the NLRB’s offices in early March, he and other tech pros with the agency noticed the presence of software tools similar to what cybercriminals use to evade detection in agency systems that disabled monitoring and other security features used to detect and block threats.”

>Do you have any actual evidence of this?

Any evidence it was an actual audit?

> Corporations and governments are made of actual people.

Actual people are made up of individual cells.

Do you think pointing that out is damaging to the argument that humans have discernible interests, personalities, and behaviors?

“Usually”, “not intentionally” does not exactly convey your own sense of confidence that it’s not happening. That just stood out to me.

As someone who knows how all this is unfolding because I’ve been part of implementing it, I agree, there’s no “Unified Plan for Enslavement”. You have to think of it more like a hive mind of mostly Cluster B and somewhat Cluster A people that you rightfully identify as making up the corporations and governments. Some call it a swarm, which is also helpful in understanding it; the murmuration of a flock of psychopaths moving and shifting organically, while mostly remaining in general unison.

Your last quote is of course a useful rule of thumb too, however, I would say it’s more useful to just assume narcissistic motivations in everything in the contemporary era, even if it does not always work out for them the way one faction had hoped or strategized; Nemesis be damned, and all.