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adventuredtoday at 3:45 PM6 repliesview on HN

Except nobody earns the minimum wage today, it's less than 1/2 of 1% of US labor.

The median full-time wage is now $62,000. You can start at $13 at almost any national retailer, and $15 or above at CVS / Walgreens / Costco. The cashier positions require zero work background, zero skill, zero education. You can make $11-$13 at what are considered bad jobs, like flipping pizzas at Little Caesars.


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jfindpertoday at 4:35 PM

>You can make $11-$13 at what are considered bad jobs, like flipping pizzas at Little Caesars.

Holy moly! 11 whole dollars an hour!?

Okay, so we went from $4.25 to $11.00. That's a 159% change. Awesome!

Now, lets look at... School, perhaps? So I can maybe skill-up out of Little Caesars and start building a slightly more comfortable life.

Median in-state tuition in 1995: $2,681. Median in-state tuation in 2025: $11,610. Wait a second! That's a 333% change. Uh oh.

Should we do the same calculation with housing...? Sure, I love making myself more depressed. 1995: $114,600. 2025: $522,200. 356% change. Fuck.

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GoatInGreytoday at 4:18 PM

Counterpoint: affording average rent for a 1-bedroom apartment (~$1,675) requires that exact median full-time wage. $15 an hour affords you about $740 for monthly housing expenses. One can suggest getting two roommates for a one-bedroom apartment, but they would be missing the fact that this is very unusual for the last century. It's more in line with housing economics from the early-to-mid 19th century.

mossTechniciantoday at 4:54 PM

In addition to the other comments, I presume the big box retailers do not hire for full-time positions when they don't have to, and gig economy work is rapidly replacing jobs that used to be minimum wage.

yndoendotoday at 5:19 PM

My uncle was running a number of fast food restaurants for a franchise owner making millions. His statement about this topic is simple, "they are not living wage jobs ... go into manufacturing if you want a living wage".

I don't like my uncle at all and find him and people like him to be terrible human beings.

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zzzeektoday at 5:55 PM

in that case it should be completely uncontroversial to raise the minimum wage and help that .5% of labor out. yet somehow, it's a non-starter. (btw, googling says the number is more like 1.1%. in 1979, 13.4% of the labor force made minimum wage. this only shows how obsolete the current minimum wage level is).