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shevy-javayesterday at 11:35 PM2 repliesview on HN

The comment "useful idiots" is more a play on the russian KGB strategy.

They use assets to influence people and achieve certain goals. In this case here, terrorism or child pornography is used as cop-out rationale for censorship, surveillance and so forth. It's never about those topics really, perhaps 5% at best, the rest is just sugar-coated decoy to restrict people and keep them as slaves and pets.

> Since both PR campaigns and any action on policy tends to cater to extremes, there's always pressure that is shrinking the middle

This only works on people who are susceptible to this. I understand how propaganda works so I am never fooled by "this is because of terrorists". This is also why I am for 100% transparency at all times.


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robot-wranglertoday at 2:10 AM

> The comment "useful idiots" is more a play on the russian KGB strategy.

Oh, I'm familiar with the phrase, but I'm specifically disputing how applicable it really is to people that are self-aware about the situation they are facing. Useful idiots are ones that are tricked, especially ones that are evangelical about tricking others. People forced to choose between 2 extremes where both choices are very bad are called.. normal citizens participating in the democratic process.

> This only works on people who are susceptible to this. I understand how propaganda works

What? You can see through propaganda, but you can't just pencil in your own policy options. Unfortunately and by design, the things you can ultimately vote for are "all or nothing" flavored. Censor everything, censor nothing. Track everybody, track nobody. Tons of parents who totally understand the surveillance state probably got flipped by meta's memo about chatbots being "sensual" with children. They'd rather vote to force corporations to be good citizens, but they can't. So they'll vote for an age-gated internet as the best of the bad options. I wouldn't assume all those people are naive, confused, or duped.. they've simply switched from a principled/abstract stance to a convenience-based calculus after they were forced into it. Meta wins either way, as planned. Either they get to build a more addictive platform, or they track more info about more people

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sroerickyesterday at 11:54 PM

Can you explain to me what loopholes that opponents believe this law will exploit?

Is it just "more ID is bad"? Or is there a specific concern that this bill is a targeted overreach to increase censorship and surveillance.

It genuinely doesn't seem like any more of a threat than age-gating Playboy at the bookstore. What have I missed?

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