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jillesvangurptoday at 12:59 PM1 replyview on HN

Pollution is as much their problem as it is ours. More so in the case of Bangladesh because rising sea levels have some very real consequences for them as they are already dealing with floods a lot.

China is doing a lot about climate and is actually leading on what you might regard as contributing to solutions rather than making the problem worse.

The obvious ones are their technical contributions (electrifying transport, clean energy generations, batteries, etc.). But they are also very active with massive projects to tackle large scale engineering projects to undo the effects of desertification, soil erosion, etc.

You are right to point out that we are a bit naive in the west to consider problems solved simply by moving them outside of our borders.

We don't have to buy sneakers that were artisanally glued together in some sweat shop in Vietnam. And when the brand name on those sneakers says Nike, or Adidas, we can sort of hold those companies accountable to what they are doing and how they are sourcing their product. And it's not the government that should do that but us.

I'm more pragmatic here and I think we should balance sustainability with our willingness to pay for it. Also there are minor problems and really big problems. We tend to zoom in on the negative and forget about the positive when it comes to issues like this. Just look at China. Very poor country five decades ago. Now, it has a huge middle class. Us buying their cheap labor has pulled that country out of poverty. And now they are a climate tech leader and taking their responsibility on a lot of fronts. In some ways, we should be following their lead. Not the other way around.

There are other countries, like Vietnam, Pakistan, Nigeria, etc. that are currently seeing a lot of economic growth and rapid improvement in work, social, economic, and environmental conditions. Some of those countries are electrifying much more rapidly than we do in the west. Not all of it is perfect of course. But we do hold power over them via our buying power. Especially when it comes to companies active inside our borders maybe cutting a few corners when it comes to their suppliers and choosing cheap over sustainable. Ultimately that's on us. If we consumers don't care, our governments won't act, and companies won't address this, and so on.

A lot of this stuff starts with people caring enough. And it seems a lot of us like buying cheap stuff. I'm not any better here of course. I don't actually know who made my socks, underwear, and t-shirts, for example. I ordered that from Amazon, so I'm expecting there might be an issue or two with sustainability and environmental impact.


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nephihahatoday at 1:57 PM

I agree with some of your points, but there isn't much individuals can do in some cases. Many people can't afford expensive goods made in the domestic market (much like many people cannot afford healthy organic food). In some cases you find that all the products available are made in sweatshops.

The onus must be on the manufacturers.

When you shift factories out of your country, the pollution there decreases, but it increases somewhere else.

Besides, while I hope China is addressing its environmental issues, it is still a dictatorship which disallows open discussion of many such things. It not only has sweatshops but concentration camp labour, and disallows proper trade unions.