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danny_codesyesterday at 8:40 PM3 repliesview on HN

I don’t know about that.

Europe and China are both working on reusable rockets. Blue Origin is doing the same.

Access to space is a national security thing so all big countries will fund their own alternatives.

Assuming the US continues to alienate its allies, I assume spaceX will be limited to the domestic market in 5-10 years. Why buy from the US when you can buy from more reliable players


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JumpCrisscrossyesterday at 8:45 PM

> Europe and China are both working on reusable rockets. Blue Origin is doing the same

China and Blue Origin are Europe may be funding the research, but Arianespace ensures it's more than a decade away from matching today's Falcon Heavy.

> Assuming the US continues to alienate its allies, I assume spaceX will be limited to the domestic market in 5-10 years. Why buy from the US when you can buy from more reliable players

Because it's cheaper and more frequent.

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rayineryesterday at 10:34 PM

> Assuming the US continues to alienate its allies

I wouldn’t make business or investment decisions based on any assumptions about “alienation.” I was just in Tokyo for a week of meetings with various business professionals, and there was zero sign of any “alienation.” I was expecting to spend most of the time talking about tariffs and nobody even about them. Everyone instead was focused on the new Prime Minister’s faux pas commenting on the security of Taiwan.

Just one set of data points, of course, but consider whether this concept of alienation is real or a creation of US media.

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panick21_yesterday at 11:17 PM

Reusable rockets aren't magic. There is a long distance between 'reusable' and reusing something many 100s of times to reach scale.

Blue Origin is losing billions every year, its not hobby of the richest person in the world, not true competitor. Remember rockets are small markets and everybody other then SpaceX is losing money.

Europe and China has literally 0 shot at breaking into the places SpaceX dominates. Europe will take another 10 years before they get a reusable rocket and even then, launching something like Starship wouldn't happen for another long time after that.

China simply can't compete in these markets by law, in the US. Them having reusable rockets doesn't matter for SpaceX. I don't think China will have Starlink competitor that can compete globally anytime soon. But that might be a real competitor eventually.

Kupiter is arguable a more real competitor.

> Assuming the US continues to alienate its allies, I assume spaceX will be limited to the domestic market in 5-10 years.

That's a gigantic, gigantic, huge and absurdly large assumption.

A lot would need to happen for all current US allies to block all SpaceX products.

Not to suggest that 61x multiple is justified, but your counter argument doesn't really work.

I think the better argument against the 61x multiple is that the overall market simply isn't big enough. SpaceX would have to break into many other markets and how to do that is difficult to say for a number of reasons.