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constantcryinglast Saturday at 1:16 PM1 replyview on HN

This is such an insane stance. The proposal of chat control is surveillance of most private communication.

Blaming Russia is such a tiresome stance. Russian propaganda is so bad and so hilariously ineffective that it penetrates only small bubbles inside political parties, even after years of propaganda.

Also the current German government includes the historically most notorious Russian shill party.

The laws are absolutely the issue and if you are tearing down democracy to "preserve democracy", you just see democracy as a useful propaganda tool, for the sake of your own power.


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breppplast Saturday at 1:24 PM

It's not only Russia, it's also China and Iran. It's very easy today to control social media conversation by participating as both sides and creating hate. It's actually possible to remotely organize demonstrations, create entire movements from afar

If steering far off (based on Iran's MO in Israel for example) with a little bit of bitcoin and time you can hire someone to do anything for you in a foreign country. This includes graffiti, burning cars, moving weapons and finally assasinations.

Because democracies are so dependent on voters opinions, and organizations that have a vested interest in the failure of a state now have influence, this can be catastrophic (brexit, covid vaccines, race wars)

Can't say I support cracking down on free speech, but IMO that's exactly what we're going to see, especially in Europe where Defensive Democracy is already in place

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