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> "We don't want to spend half a year of our lives locked up in barracks, being trained in drill and obedience and learning to kill," the organisers of the protests wrote in a statement posted on social media. "War offers no prospects for the future and destroys our livelihoods."

Is the idea that it’s better for your livelihood to just start learning how speak Russian now?


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geoka9yesterday at 4:12 AM

That wouldn't be half as bad, by comparison. But it's more like learning how to survive in the Russian "meat wave" corps a bit longer than your peers.

Looking at the parts of Eastern Ukraine that were under Russian occupation since 2014 and are now almost devoid of male population, that's what happens if you're not willing to fight in your own (European) army: sooner or later you end up fighting in the Russian one.

port11yesterday at 12:30 PM

What are you suggesting? That without forced military service Russia will take over Germany? It's not impossible, but basic military service likely does little to thwart invasion by a powerful Russian army — powerful by your suggestion. This is quite an expensive program and a questionable use of taxpayer money.

poplarsolyesterday at 12:15 AM

The German government will be the first ones to tell you that the German language and ancestry is totally unrelated to the idea of who gets to be German.

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wkat4242yesterday at 12:26 AM

In my opinion pitting our youth against theirs man to man means we have already lost anyway. Lots of people that don't deserve it would have to die. We need to be able to destroy them at the push of a button so they don't even think about invading us. And then we don't need to order kids around to their deaths.

In other words we need a nuclear umbrella. Now that America is no longer our friend we need to build our own. It has worked very well to keep us safe since the 50s. And I don't think the French + English ones are sufficient deterrence anymore.

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venturecrueltyyesterday at 12:07 AM

I think a lot of young people look at all of the wars waged post-WWII and are rightfully opposed to fighting for their governments. Would you want to die for nothing in Vietnam? Probably not, and a lot of other people didn't want to as well. Some of them did anyway, and it was all for nothing.

So please have some grace if today's kids have looked back at our miserable history and have decided that they'd rather not die for a country that doesn't seem to give a shit about them.

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ekianjoyesterday at 10:53 AM

> your livelihood to just start learning how speak Russian now?

that was a thing in East Germany not that long ago

lawnyesterday at 7:30 AM

Learning to speak Russian, and to live with the massive amount of corruption, prosecution, genocide, and much lower quality of life.

Assuming you survive the initial wave of plunder, rape and murder of course.

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CjHuberyesterday at 6:45 AM

Why not, at that guy cares about his country

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derelictayesterday at 9:11 AM

But that they learn how to speak English is not an issue for you, is it?

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frmersdogyesterday at 1:30 AM

History shows that the best way to resist, in these circumstances, might be to let them in, and then blow them up in the streets and countryside until they leave. It's cheaper and (morbidly enough) probably has a lower human cost.

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jasonvorheyesterday at 9:58 AM

I'd rather learn Russian than to get drilled to shoot Russians. Current Germany/Europe doesn't have anything to offer that I'd raise a weapon for.

Each to their own.