alt Hacker NewsEveryone is free to use alternative CI/CD workflow pipelines. These are often better than Github Actions.
These include
- Gitlab
Open source:
- https://concourse-ci.org/ (discussed in the context of Radicle here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44658820 )
- Jenkins
-etc.
Anyone can complain as much as they want, but unless they put the money where their mouth is, it's just noise from lazy people.
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I’d appreciate not being called lazy for mentioning a lack of investment on Microsoft’s side to secure their paid and fairly lucrative service that they bought a popular code hosting platform to integrate with.
> unless they put the money where their mouth is, it's just noise
I used to work for a Japanese company, and one of their core philosophies was “Don’t complain, unless you have a solution.” In my experience, this did not always have optimal outcomes: https://littlegreenviper.com/problems-and-solutions/
It sounds like you've never worked in a large org before.
I don’t make the purchasing decision for my employer, but I certainly have to deal with their fallout, so I’ll keep complaining if that’s okay with you.
I've used CircleCI quite a bit in the past; it was pretty good. Feels tough for them to compete with GHA though when you're getting GHA credits for free with your code hosting.
I used Travis rather longer ago, it was not great. Circle was a massive step forward. I don't know if they have improved it since but it only felt useful for very simplistic workflows, as soon as you needed anything complex (including any software that didn't come out of the box) you were in a really awkward place.
> Anyone can complain as much as they want, but unless they put the money where their mouth is, it's just noise from lazy people.
Once I'm encharged of budge decisions of my company I'll make sure that none will go to any MS and Atlassian product. Until then I'll keep complaining.
It should be highlighted that Gitlab CI/CD (self-hostable runner and GitLab itself) is also OSS.
I'm a huge fan of: https://onedev.io/ it might not the best, but it's fast it and does it's job!
I tried to use CircleCI and I gotta say, it is absolutely not better than GitHub Actions…
CircleCI is 100% trash.
Don't waste your time
Or roll your own
Well, actually, no, not everyone is free to use alternatives. Anyone using CI for "Trusted Publishing" of packages to PyPI or npm needs to use GitHub Actions or GitLab CI/CD. CircleCI and Travis CI are not supported. So many big open source projects for the two most popular languages in the world are now locked out of the alternatives you propose.
(I find it extremely sketchy from a competition law perspective that Microsoft, as the owner of npm, has implemented a policy banning npm publishers from publishing via competitors to GitHub Actions - a product that Microsoft also owns. But they have; that is the reality right now, whether it's legal or not.)