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ortusduxlast Monday at 9:36 PM3 repliesview on HN

Tangentially related, but I was surprised to learn about the lax attitude towards placebos in trials. Classes of drugs have expected side effects, so it's common to use medications with similar effects as placebos. Last I heard, there is no requirement or expectation to document placebos used, and they are often not mentioned in publications.


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Aurornislast Monday at 10:33 PM

> Classes of drugs have expected side effects, so it's common to use medications with similar effects as placebos.

This would be called an "active placebo" and would certainly be documented.

It's common to find controlled trials against an existing drug to demonstrate that the new drug performs better in some way, or at least is equivalent with some benefit like lower toxicity or side effects. In this case, using an active comparison against another drug makes sense.

You wouldn't see a placebo-controlled trial that used an active drug but called it placebo, though. Not only would that never get past the study review, it wouldn't even benefit the study operator because it would make their medication look worse.

In some cases, if the active drug produces a very noticeable effect (e.g. psychedelics) then study operators might try to introduce another compound that produces some effect so patients in both arms feel like they've taken something. Niacin was used in the past because it produces a flushing sensation, although it's not perfect. This is all clearly documented, though.

youaintiyesterday at 6:35 AM

Those are documented, but not necessarily in the paper. You can find the info at clinicaltrials.gov. Check out this current trial for breast cancer treatment by Merck Sharp & Dohme LLC for example. For the control arm, they are allowing doctors choice from a set of alternatives. Assuming the doctors are selecting control treatments to improve chance of survival, this test is comparing the new treatment to "the best known treatment for this specific cancer".

https://clinicaltrials.gov/study/NCT07060807#study-plan

padjolast Monday at 10:55 PM

You were surprised to learn this because it’s not true.