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jacquesmyesterday at 2:37 PM6 repliesview on HN

A pocket calculator that would give the right numbers 99.7% of the time would be fairly useless. The lack of determinism is a problem and there is nothing 'uncharitable' about that interpretation. It is definitely impressive, but it is fundamentally broken, because when you start making chains of things that are 99.7% correct you end up with garbage after very few iterations. That's precisely why digital computers won out over analog ones, the fact that they are deterministic.


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briandwyesterday at 4:54 PM

Category error. You want 100% accuracy for an impossible problem. This is a famously unsolved conjecture. The only way to get the answer is to fully calculate it. The task was to make a guess and see how well it could do. 99.7 is surprisingly good. If the task was to calculate, the llm could write a python program, just like I would have if asked to calculate the answer.

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beambotyesterday at 3:18 PM

Most primality tests aren't 100% accurate either (eg Miller Rabin), they just are "reasonably accurate" while being very fast to compute. You can use them in conjunction to improve your confidence in the result.

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spuzyesterday at 3:00 PM

It's uncharitable because the comment purports to summarise the entire paper while simply cherry picking the worst result. It would be like if asked how did I do on my test and you said well you got question 1 wrong and then didn't elaborate.

Now I get your point that a function that is 99.7% accurate will eventually always be incorrect but that's not what the comment said.

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pixl97yesterday at 2:57 PM

Why do people keep using LLMs as algorithms?

LLMs are not calculators. If you want a calculator use a calculator. Hell, have your LLM use a calculator.

>That's precisely why digital computers won out over analog ones, the fact that they are deterministic.

I mean, no not really, digital computers are far easier to build and far more multi-purpose (and technically the underlying signals are analog).

Again, if you have a deterministic solution that is 100% correct all the time, use it, it will be cheaper than an LLM. People use LLMs because there are problems that are either not deterministic or the deterministic solution uses more energy than will ever be available in the local part of our universe. Furthermore a lot of AI (not even LLMs) use random noise at particular steps as a means to escape local maxima.

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famouswafflesyesterday at 8:38 PM

>A pocket calculator that would give the right numbers 99.7% of the time would be fairly useless.

Well that's great and all, but the vast majority of llm use is not for stuff you can just pluck out a pocket calculator (or run a similarly airtight deterministic algorithm) for, so this is just a moot point.

People really need to let go of this obsession with a perfect general intelligence that never makes errors. It doesn't and has never existed besides in fiction.

fkargyesterday at 2:51 PM

yeah it's only correct in 99.7% of all cases, but what if it's also 10'000 times faster? There's a bunch of scenarios where that combination provides a lot of value

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