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tptacekyesterday at 9:01 PM3 repliesview on HN

This is a retcon. Facebook rolled out TLS in 2011, 2 years before Snowden, and went TLS-by-default within a month of the Snowden disclosures. Google Mail was TLS-by-default in 2010. TLS was a universal best practice long before 2013 --- by 2010, you'd have gotten a sev:hi vulnerability flagged on your site if you hadn't implemented TLS. SSLLabs was 2009; BEAST was 2011, and was a huge global news story because of how widely deployed TLS was.


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schoenyesterday at 9:58 PM

I think you're right that this consensus was clearly emerging then (I remember Firesheep in 2010 as another big identifiable contributing factor), but I remember actively asking smaller sites to enable HTTPS in that era, and they would often refuse. So I think Snowden also contributed to the spread of the norm.

It is possible that there's a retcon element, because it's not always clear in my memory exactly what year various sites became more favorably disposed towards the request to use HTTPS. So I could be misremembering some of them as agreeing post-Snowden when they'd actually agreed one year before, or something.

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8organicbitsyesterday at 9:22 PM

I'm not sure that refutes the idea that encryption was uncommon. A couple tech giants with challenging threat models will be ahead of the curve.

Google started tracking adoption of TLS in 2015, with adoption below 50% and some regions below 30%.

https://transparencyreport.google.com/https/overview?hl=en

ok123456yesterday at 9:13 PM

Yes. And I remember sniffing Facebook traffic in clear text in 2011. The fact remains that it was considered a significant engineering problem for them to deploy it. It was a "best practice" that most people rolled their eyes at.

Most users and system owners didn't care unless money was being transacted.

Between Snowden and ISPs injecting content into pages, the consensus changed.

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