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tialaramexlast Wednesday at 10:09 AM2 repliesview on HN

The whole point of the logs is that they're tamper-evident. If you think the certificate you've seen wasn't logged you can show proof. If you think the logs tell you something different from everybody else you can prove that too.

It is striking that we don't see that. We reliably see people saying "obviously" the Mossad or the NSA are snooping but they haven't shown any evidence that there's tampering


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dns_sneklast Wednesday at 1:13 PM

> We reliably see people saying "obviously" the Mossad or the NSA are snooping but they haven't shown any evidence that there's tampering

Why would they use the one approach that leaves a verifiable trace? That'd be foolish.

- They can intercept everything in the comfort of Cloudflare's datacenters

- They can "politely" ask Cloudflare, AWS, Google cloud, etc. to send them a copy of the private keys for certificates that have already been issued

- They either have a backdoor, or have the capability to add a backdoor in the hardware that generates those keys in the first place, should more convenient forms of access fail.

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rnhmjojlast Wednesday at 12:51 PM

> It is striking that we don't see that

It probably just means they are asking the providers to hand over the data, no need to perform active attacks.