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bgirardlast Wednesday at 3:49 PM9 repliesview on HN

Not surprising. The real question is how do we measure the opportunity cost of these measures? Is it a net gain? You could, at the extreme, ban all motor vehicles but the opportunity cost would outweigh the benefits.


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JumpCrisscrosslast Wednesday at 4:55 PM

> You could, at the extreme, ban all motor vehicles but the opportunity cost would outweigh the benefits

We did this in Times Square and on Broadway, and it's honestly been great. I say this as someone who takes cars far more frequently than most New Yorkers and has a place I lived at full time for over a decade off one of those closed-off sections of Broadway.

pulisselast Wednesday at 3:56 PM

The point of congestion pricing is to let market mechanisms determine where the optimum is.

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hombre_fatallast Wednesday at 4:51 PM

I wouldn't assume your last claim.

It could also be the case that making it viable to drive personal vehicles at all inside a dense city comes with opportunity costs (parking, roads that cut through infrastructure, pollution, noise) that aren't worth it.

And I'd wager that it is the case.

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venturecrueltylast Wednesday at 4:58 PM

You take a walk along a 55-mph stretch of highway, and then you take a walk down Broadway, and you see which one makes you feel better as a human being.

jetrinklast Wednesday at 4:29 PM

Since this is generating revenue for NYC, you can't consider whether this tax is good or bad in a vacuum though. The alternatives are a different tax with its own effects, or more debt, or less spending. (In this case, the revenue goes to the MTA.) Any opportunity costs due to less traffic are at least partially offset by opportunity costs you aren't having to pay somewhere else.

hamdingerslast Wednesday at 4:44 PM

Dynamic pricing based on congestion would solve this. It would also almost certainly result in higher costs for drivers though.

raldilast Wednesday at 3:53 PM

Try things and ask the people in a year if they like the results, then do the good ones more and the bad ones less.

eli_gottlieblast Wednesday at 4:02 PM

It's called congestion pricing because you can measure the opportunity cost.