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ceejayozlast Wednesday at 4:13 PM

NYC has 8M people and 2M cars. Manhattan has like a 22% car ownership rate, and it's… not the poor people. https://www.hunterurban.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/Car-L...

A parking spot will cost you more than rent in some other cities.

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acdhalast Wednesday at 4:28 PM

Because that’s not true. Cars are expensive compared to transit everywhere, but especially so in NYC. This was studied a lot before congestion pricing was implemented and only something like 2% of poor people were going to pay congestion charges. This did not stop a bunch of rich suburbanites from using them as a prop to demand that the city subsidize their lifestyle at the expense of NYC taxpayers, of course.

https://www.cssny.org/news/entry/the-cost-of-killing-congest...

JumpCrisscrosslast Wednesday at 4:14 PM

> curious why no one is discussing this but this is basically a middle finger for poor people

Because the poor don’t drive in New York, and to the extent they do, they likely qualify for an exemption.

magguzulast Wednesday at 4:22 PM

You are assuming a car is required.

The whole issue with car dependency is that it is a massive barrier for participating in society.

Public transit is orders of magnitude cheaper, and very viable and often the better option in the New York area.

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nemomarxlast Wednesday at 4:15 PM

I don't think poor people who lived in NYC were driving that often anyway? cars are expensive to begin with and parking is crazy in that part of the city

tantalorlast Wednesday at 4:15 PM

Concern trolling.

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saubeidllast Wednesday at 4:33 PM

Maybe nobody should be driving a car in an urban core? Baby steps...

ixtlilast Wednesday at 5:13 PM

you clearly dont live here or you'd know that the poor of NYC are not the ones that own cars. they're the ones that take public transit. also, there are state benefits that offset congestion pricing and other fees for people who are poor

kccqzylast Wednesday at 4:19 PM

And yes let’s think of the poor people who have no choice but to drive into Midtown and downtown for work.

Have you ever talked to poor people in NYC?

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OfficeChadlast Wednesday at 4:37 PM

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