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techblueberrylast Wednesday at 8:46 PM2 repliesview on HN

I’ll add a third reason, which is I think in general, people are very bad at understanding how to make an argument to someone with a different value system. I’m liberal, I have family members who are conservative, and I’ll read conservative books and I’m genuinely a person who is curious to new ideas, but most people I know(and I’m sure this works vice versa) are only good at expressing political opinions in the language of people who share their values. Republicans and Democrats don’t just talk about different things, they talk about them in very different ways.

I find this online as well, like I hate being “out of my echo chamber” because those arguments are just uniformly pointless. (This is in all directions by the way, people to the right or left of me).

Though I also interestingly find trying to talk to LLMs about competing values challenging too, if I try to get the LLM to explain a conservative position, then I make counter-arguments to that position, it will almost never tell me my counter argument is wrong, just “you’ve hit the nail on the head! Boy are you smart!”


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dlivingstonlast Wednesday at 10:21 PM

I had a friend in grad school who influenced my political beliefs more than anyone I'd met.

He never engaged in political conversation with "here's what I believe, and here's why you should too." His approach was more Socratic; to listen to me talk, and then offer an additional viewpoint or context.

I never got the impression from him that he was trying to convince me of something, or that he thought I was wrong about X/Y/Z, but rather, that we were on an intellectual journey together to identify what the problems actually were and what nuanced solutions might look like.

I still have no idea to this day what his ACTUAL political party is (or if he even has one). I genuinely could not tell you if he was left, right, or center.

aperculast Wednesday at 10:23 PM

As far as I can tell most conservative argument points seem to be about the price of gas. If there is a democrat in the whitehouse, the price of gas is astronomical. If there is a republican in office, gas is far cheaper somehow than what I always end up paying.

Gasoline is like the least important cost metric in my life.