alt Hacker NewsIt's funny (in a "wtf" sort of way) how in C# right now, the new hotness Microsoft is pushing is Blazor Server, which is basically old-school .aspx Web Forms but with websockets instead of full page reloads.
Every action, every button click, basically every input is sent to the server, and the changed dom is sent back to the client. And we're all just supposed to act like this isn't absolutely insane.
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Yes, I say this every time this topic comes up: it took many years to finally have mainstream adoption of client-side interactivity so that things are finally mostly usable on high latency/lossy connections, but now people who’re always on 10ms connections are trying to snatch that away so that entirely local interactions like expanding/collapsing some panels are fucked up the moment a WebSocket is disconnected. Plus nice and simple stateless servers now need to hold all those long-lived connections. WTF. (Before you tell me about Alpine.js, have you actually tried mutating state on both client and server? I have with Phoenix and it sucks.)
Well, maybe it isn't so insane?
Server side rendering has been with us since the beginning, and it still works great.
Client side page manipulation has its place in the world, but there's nothing wrong with the server sending page fragments, especially when you can work with a nice tech stack on the backend to generate it.
It's kinda nice.
Main downside is the hot reload is not nearly as nice as TS.
But the coding experience with a C# BE/stack is really nice for admin/internal tools.
Hotwire et al are also doing part of this. It isn't a new concept but it seems to come and go it terms of popularity
I saw this kind of interactivity in Apache Wicket Java framework. It's very interesting approach.
> And we're all just supposed to act like this isn't absolutely insane.
This is insane to you only if you didn't experience the emergence of this technique 20-25 years ago. Almost all server-side templates were already partials of some sort in almost all the server-side environments, so why not just send the filled in partial?
Business logic belongs on the server, not the client. Never the client. The instant you start having to make the client smart enough to think about business logic, you are doomed.
Isn’t that what Phoenix (Elixir) is? All server side, small js lib for partial loads, each individual website user gets their own thread on the backend with its own state and everything is tied together with websockets.
Basically you write only backend code, with all the tools available there, and a thin library makes sure to stich the user input to your backend functions and output to the front end code.
Honestly it is kinda nice.