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TulliusCicerolast Friday at 7:45 AM1 replyview on HN

> The United States is freaking huge. By the time modern transportation arrived, people were already living all over the country in pockets every which where. We opted for cars and planes to cover the vast distances. And as it turns out, we have some of the best in the world of both of these - and in vast quantities.

You have this narrative precisely backwards.

At the risk of pointing out the obvious: the great sprawl that made us dependent on cars happened after cars got popularized.

Yes, the cities were already spread out relative to each other, but that distance can be covered with trains well enough. What made us need cars, and what cars encouraged, was a huge amount of spread within a city or metro area. If you sprawl out over a city such that population density is constantly low, then public transit and walking can't work effectively anymore, and everyone needs to own a car.

US cities that were already large and well populated before the advent of cars tend to be densely built. Their cores, at least, are walkable as a result. This is true even for non-major cities -- just google "streetcar suburbs" as an example.


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prependlast Friday at 8:43 PM

No, GP is right. Check out the urban/rural populations in 1900 [0].

Cars allowed for suburban sprawl but the country was already really spread out before cars.

Maybe if cars didn’t exist we would have eventually consolidated into dense population centers.

You’re right that US cities were large and well populated, but that’s not where most people (60%) of Americans were.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urbanization_in_the_United_Sta...