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appreciatorBuslast Friday at 7:28 PM10 repliesview on HN

You forgot that collective ruin is also an option and we have seen this many times when societies attempted to do away with economic & market concepts.


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overfeedlast Friday at 7:31 PM

Why is union-related collective ruin anathema, but elite-driven ruin is seen as an acceptable price to pay? Enron, the Great Recession, etc.

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kristofferglast Friday at 7:41 PM

Unions are part of a healthy market economy. The succesful suppression of unions is a market failure.

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piva00last Friday at 11:38 PM

How isn't it a market solution for a collective of individuals to band together to determine what they think are fair conditions of wage and labour? If they are wrong then the whole thing fails just like a business mispricing and/or mistreating its customers would, if they are right they all get a better deal.

It's a freer market than allowing disproportionate power of employers in the labour market distort the price of labour.

ozlikethewizardlast Saturday at 12:03 AM

Unions are the reason we have a 40 hour week, minimum wage, equal (ish) pay, reasonably safe working conditions, overtime pay, holiday, etc. Anti-union think is a Reagan/Thatcherite psyop, don't drink the kool-aid. Notice that since the dismantling of the Unions both here (UK) and across the pond the average person's life has steady a steady economic decline? Not a coincidence.

frmersdoglast Friday at 8:13 PM

Helped along by a little clandestine sabotage, of course.

lucyjojolast Saturday at 8:20 AM

this is actually pretty rare.

most case of ruin come from hostile warfare and/or interventions/state terrorism.

DANmodelast Saturday at 4:48 PM

Wait, which are those again?

vkoulast Friday at 7:29 PM

We've also seen collective ruin many many times when societies have embraced economic and market concepts. Seen the rust belt anytime lately?

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FrustratedMonkylast Friday at 8:43 PM

Paying employees is part of the market. Why is the counter argument, that we should not pay employees even a thing these days?

Ask yourself: Why is a paycheck now consider socialist re-distribution of wealth.

Could it be because literally lives are cheap.

_DeadFred_last Friday at 9:44 PM

Reminder that up until recently, economic & market concepts included a requirement for strong government oversight. The originators/thought creators of capitalism talked about the need for such. Adam Smith argued relentlessly for regulation against monopolies, corruption, and rent-seeking. Libertarian ideologues retrofitted in the fantasy of self-regulating markets without oversight fairly recently and it is turning out to be a pretty disastrous retrofit. I agree, we must go back to true, pre idealog economic & market concepts, like Adam Smith argued for.