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IlikeKittiesyesterday at 7:31 PM4 repliesview on HN

Nuclear Energy is incredibly expensive and has a lot of other issues like long term waste storage. It's arguably better than Coal and Gas but the KEY to decarbonisation is and always will be renewables. The Headline is rather misleading in that regard.

Anyways, solar is also cheaper


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belornyesterday at 8:01 PM

As long there is no need to use gas during periods of non-optimal weather, then solar and wind is great.

The lithium battery plant in northern Sweden went bankrupt so its difficult to say how to solve the storage solution by both being cheap and financial viable. New battery solutions are being made, but in the end it need to be cheap enough over the long term. The current use of gas for non-optimal weather means prices jump up by a factor of around 100x of what it is during good weather, and the average price in nordpool (the northen pan-European power exchange) is about 20x than what you get with good weather. That should illustrate how much variability there is in the energy price right now, and how much people are paying for that gas powered electricity in periods of non-optimal weather conditions.

A lot of fossil fuel subsidies goes directly to support the high variability power grid, and they more than doubled during 2022 when the gas prices went up. It is incredibly expensive, likely more than nuclear, to have a grid supported by renewables during optimal weather conditions and fossil fuels during non-optimal weather conditions. It also generate a lot of waste in term of pollution which has a bigger issue both short and long term than nuclear waste.

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exabrialyesterday at 9:18 PM

> Long term waste storage

This is pretty far from the truth. Exactly One Swimming Pool is all that is needed to store the entire "waste" for a country.

If you don't recycle it.

Or if you don't put it concrete.

exabrialyesterday at 9:19 PM

Also, be sure to elaborate on the massive waste problem that Solar and Wind create:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2020-02-05/wind-turb...

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Archelaosyesterday at 10:00 PM

Absolutely right.