alt Hacker NewsAnthropic is in a bit of a rough spot if you look at the raw data points we have available. Their valuation is in the same order of magnitude as OpenAI, but they have orders of magnitude fewer users. And current leaderboards for famous unsolved benchmarks like ARC AGI and HLE are also dominated by Google and OpenAI. Announcements like the one you linked are the only way for Anthropic to stay in the news cycle and justify its valuation to investors. Their IPO rumours are yet another example of this. But I really wonder how long that strategy can keep working.
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> Their valuation is in the same order of magnitude as OpenAI, but they have orders of magnitude fewer users.
it's an open question how many of OpenAI's users are monetizable.
There's an argument to be made that your brand being what the general public identifies with AI is a medium term liability in light of the vast capital and operating costs involved.
It may well be that Anthropic focusing on an order of magnitudes smaller, but immediately monetiazable market will play out better.
Low scores on HLE and ARC AGI might be a good sign. They didn't goodhart their models. ARG AGI in particular doesn't mean much, IMO. It's just some weird hard geometry induction. I don't think it correlates well with real world problem solving.
AFAICT, claude code is the biggest engineering mind share. An apple software engineer of mine says he sometimes uses $100/day of claude code tokens at work and gets sad, because that's the budget.
Also, look at costs and revenue. OpenAI is bleeding way more than Antropic.
Not sure how relevant it is, but I finally decided to dip my toes in last night and write my first agent. Despite paying for ChatGPT Pro, Claude Pro, etc, you still have to load up credits to use the API version of them. I started with Claude, but there was a bug on the add credit form and I couldn't submit (I'm guessing they didn't test on MacOS Safari, maybe?). So I gave up and moved on to OpenAI's developer thing.
Maybe they should do less vibe coding on their checkout flow and they might have more users.
Hard to believe you could be so misinformed. Anthropic is not far behind OAI on revenue and has a much more stable position with most of it coming from enterprise/business customers.
I’d argue openAI has put their cards on the table and they don’t have anything special, while Anthropic has not.
Their valuations come from completely different calculus: Anthropic looks much more like a high potential early startup still going after PMF while OpenAI looks more like a series B flailing to monetize.
The cutting edge has largely moved past benchmarks, beyond a certain performance threshold that all these models have reached, nobody really cares about scores anymore, except people overfitting to them. They’re going for models that users like better, and Claude has a very loyal following.
TLDR, OpenAI has already peaked, Anthropic hasn’t, this the valuation difference.
Anthropic has less users, but I think their value per user is higher due to claude mostly producing code. I know my shop is just gonna keep paying for $200 max subscriptions until one of these open source clients with a chinese LLM can beat sonnet 4.5 (which may be now, but not worth it for me to explore until its solid enough for my uses)
Those benchmarks mean nothing. Anthropic still makes the models that gets real work done in enterprise. We want to move but are unable to.
If anyone disagrees,I would like to see their long running deep research agents built on gemini or openai.