Please make your substantive points without crossing into personal attack.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

It's not so easy to setup. I mean: it's easy but it hits some real world constraints.

Example 1. I run Blockada on my Android phone, so I can block every ad even in apps and I can more or less firewall them (the outside calls). Blockada runs as a local VPN and unfortunately Android allows only one active VPN. So it's either Blockada or Wireguard. I'm with Blockada but I might occasionally want to disable it and enable Wireguard. I never did it yet because:

Example 2. WireGuard does not run everywhere. My little home ARM based server has a Linux kernel with some special driver to manage its hardware (it's pretty common on non-Raspberry ARM devices) and WireGuard does not run on it. It requires a newer kernel that I still cannot upgrade to and maybe I will never be able to. So I don't have anything to VPN to.

I might eventually put online a Raspberry, even an old model 3, as a bastion host on the home end of the VPN, but then it would be something else to care about and to power. It's not worth the mind share and the wattage so far.

To flip that though, what about just using those sketchy-ass malware-laden "residential IP" VPN providers and route your traffic through someone else's hacked up VPN running on a Fire TV stick they bought off JimBob for $200?

Here's me making a similar argument a month or so ago

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45926849

Besides the political implications, I think we should try to find an objective taxonomy, it's clear that privacy VPNs and network security VPNs are different products semantically, commercially and legally, even if the same core tech is used.

Possibly the configuration and network topology is different even, making it a technically different product, similar to how a DNS might be either an authorative server for a TLD, an ISP proxy for an end user, a consumer blacklist like pihole, or an industrial blacklist like spamhaus. It would be a non trivial mistake to conflate any pair of those and bring one up in an argument that refers to the other.

The exhausting "well actually" masks a corrosive argument, that if you can't enforce the rules in a rigid and rigorous fashion, the rule is fiat.

It's not that he doesn't know the difference. He's making the argument that since there's no _technical_ difference there can be no legal difference.

Tailscale is really not that hard to set up. There's an Apple TV app for it, even. And who doesn't have some friend in another state or country that would like an Apple TV?