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drnick1last Monday at 9:11 PM1 replyview on HN

The choice is not to buy those devices if it comes to that.

Car manufacturers also do similar things (onboard 4G/5G modem), and one solution (other than driving an old car) is to disconnect the cellular modem. Of course the issue is that few people know there is one in their cars in the first place, so they are unknowingly snooped on.


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goku12yesterday at 4:58 PM

That works if you can convince everyone to follow your advice. I try to do that by doling out advises, making a fool of myself at every opportunity. But the companies are much better at gaslighting the consumers into submission.

For example, remember how a shadow organization funded by auto manufacturers tried to get people to vote no on opening up the vehicle diagnostics bus to the owners and 3rd party repair shops? They pushed the narrative that opening it up would make you an easy target for sex predators! They ran a bunch of very scary ads based on that plot. They were playing with the people's emotions and insecurities. I think it failed because a massive lobby of ordinary people including Louis Rossmann did a much better job of convincing the people of the truth. However, it was a tough job and they'll have to repeat it endlessly against the attempts by the much wealthier industrialists.

The fact is it's a losing game for us, simply because of the disparity in wealth between us and them. I wish we had more power on our side. I don't know what to do without it.