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ck2yesterday at 5:44 PM6 repliesview on HN

I don't get it

99% of the population is voluntarily carrying sophisticated tracking devices with self-reporting always on

even if the signal is off it catches up later

with SEVERAL layers of tracking

not just your phone carrier but Google+Apple stores have your location as the apps are always on in the background

even phone makers have their own tracking layer sometimes

we know EVERY person that went to Epstein Island from their phone tracking and they didn't even have smartphones back then

Flock is just another lazy layer/databroker


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sodality2yesterday at 5:59 PM

I can opt out of that, by not carrying a phone. I cannot opt out of public surveillance. Plus at least the gap between police -> tech companies typically adds some resistance, maybe a warrant, etc. With ALPR's police have immediate access without warrants to the nationwide network. It's far more ripe for abuse, yet is exactly what the police departments want; the only chance is local governance.

rpjtyesterday at 6:05 PM

There is also no legal "reasonable expectation of privacy" for a license plate displayed on a public road.

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graemepyesterday at 6:11 PM

> Google+Apple stores have your location as the apps are always on in the background

Does that imply that Android settings lie about which apps have accessed location data?

artifaxxyesterday at 7:31 PM

Tracking already feeling pervasive suffers from the cognitive bias of all or nothing thinking. A phone can be turned off or apps disabled far more easily than a network of surveillance cameras. There are degrees of surveillance and who has access to the data. We can push back.

klinquistyesterday at 6:09 PM

1. Government having the data is different than private companies having the data

2. Consent

3. Accountability (e.g. A government agency needs a warrant to use your cell phone location data against you).