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Anon1096last Wednesday at 3:38 AM4 repliesview on HN

負う and 王 are both hepburn-romanized as ou though. 方 and 頬 (hou vs hoo) is a better example. I don't really think native speakers still distinguish these.

Feel free to try listening yourself though:

頬, note that it has multiple pronunciations but we only care about hoo: https://forvo.com/word/%E9%A0%AC/#ja

https://forvo.com/word/%E6%96%B9%E3%80%80%EF%BC%88%E3%81%BB%...

In some cases though there is still a clear difference in pronunciation for most speakers, ex 塔 vs 遠


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uasilast Wednesday at 5:17 AM

> 方 and 頬 (hou vs hoo) is a better example.

As a native Japanese speaker, this example is eye-opening. I hadn't even realized that the u in 方 is pronounced as /o:/ — I believe most Japanese people haven't either, despite unknowingly pronounce it that way.

Also, I have no idea how to Hepburn-romanize 方 vs 頬, 負う vs 王, and 塔 vs 遠. If I had to romanize, I would just write it as whatever the romaji input method understands correctly (hou/hoo, ou/ou, and tou/too, in this case).

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BalinKinglast Wednesday at 5:00 AM

Could you elaborate on the last sentence? Wiktionary claims they're pronounced the same modulo pitch accent, but Wiktionary's phonetic transcriptions are (mostly?) auto-generated AFAIK.

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decimalenoughlast Wednesday at 5:20 AM

> 負う and 王 are both hepburn-romanized as ou though

No, it's ou vs ō.

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kazinatorlast Wednesday at 7:54 AM

Nope! Writing 王 as "ou" is "wāpuro rōmaji" or modified Hepburn. Proper Hepburn wants ō. Which cannot be used for 負う.