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sneaklast Thursday at 3:21 PM5 repliesview on HN

> The real problem is that companies do not offer any accessible, powerful, and intelligent customer support.

No, the real problem is that we have no reasonable alternatives when companies misbehave. There is no meaningful way to exist in society today without an Apple or Google account, and that's actually insane. It's doubly insane for people who aren't citizens of the United States (although the CCP addressed this by requiring Apple make a separate iCloud for them).

The solution isn't to legislate a right to a bank account, it's to preserve the usefulness of cash so banks don't get too far out of line.


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lxgrlast Thursday at 3:44 PM

> There is no meaningful way to exist in society today without an Apple or Google account

As is the case for many other infrastructure companies, such as your local electricity network operator (or even supplier depending on market liberalization). We also didn't solve that problem by ensuring everyone's right to run a generator in their backyard or heat their city apartment with a coal oven.

If tech companies have become essential to our day to day lives and are not willing to allow for horizontal interoperability, i.e. to split over-the-top services from infrastructure and individual elements of infrastructure from each other – because walled garden lock-in undoubtedly increases profits – why not regulate them as infrastructure entirely?

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Aprechelast Thursday at 3:29 PM

Even if there were viable alternatives, I believe people who chose to use an Apple, Google, or any other account should still have the rights I proposed.

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criddelllast Thursday at 3:44 PM

Cash being more useful wouldn't help you regain access to your photos, music, email, etc... when your account has been deactivated..

wat10000last Thursday at 3:45 PM

China is quite a bit worse. Not having an Apple or Google account in the US would be kind of inconvenient. Not having WeChat Pay or AliPay in China means you can't buy stuff most places. They've ensured that their de-facto-mandatory services are domestic, but they're a lot more mandatory.

I assume the Chinese government is quite happy with this, because they have no trouble bringing their large companies to heel, unlike the US. And centralizing payments like this gives them a great deal of information and control.

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raverbashinglast Thursday at 3:42 PM

This is the naive tech bro view

You can't keep chasing alternatives when companies misbehave

That's why there's a thick list of contract law precedents and consumer's rights and what not