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nyeahlast Thursday at 3:44 PM9 repliesview on HN

Sure, but medieval European art generally sucked. (Call this a hypothesis if that helps.)

Compare the damn cave paintings of buffalo to most medieval European art. Some of the 10k-year-old stuff is much better observed. Europeans between about 500 and 1300 mostly couldn't paint. I'm sorry about that.

It's just not always taste. Sometimes it's taste. Sometimes people are bad at making art.


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YeGoblynQueennelast Thursday at 11:11 PM

Well, I mean you find lots of wonky sculptures and reliefs in medieval art but people in Europe still made some really stunning pieces of art, e.g. see The Lady and the Unicorn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lady_and_the_Unicorn), or the Choir Screen at the Amiens Cathedral (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amiens_Cathedral#The_Choir_scr....)) and so on. So it's kind of a sweeping generalisation to say that "medieval art generally sucked".

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sudobash1last Thursday at 5:10 PM

I think that the medieval art article is making a different point. The art there had a style that was dictated by its purpose and the beliefs of the artists.

For example, most of the examples given in that article are illustrations from manuscripts. This was something (as far as I know) that was new in the western world. The idea that books should be illustrated. And being before the printing press was introduced, each illustration (of which there were often many per page) was hand made. This added a substantial amount of time to an already labor-intensive process. And each image was not intended to be a standalone work of art.

Also, some of the other examples are of iconography. That style remains, largely unchanged to this day. If you do an image search for "religious iconography", you will see plenty of examples of sacred art that are not visually realistic but are meant to be metaphorically or spiritually realistic.

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Bayartlast Thursday at 9:16 PM

I won't bother getting into trying to demonstrate Medieval art doesn't "suck", it's not worth dignifying. But you should be aware you might be placing too much emphasis on painting and drawing specifically as opposed to other art forms.

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Ekaroslast Thursday at 4:43 PM

I have my own take that painting as art peaked long ago. And now we are mostly at similar level to that in middle-ages...

Paintings used to be better, and before that they were worse.

joefourierlast Thursday at 5:39 PM

If you think medieval artists lacked skill, check out Villard Honnecourt’s sketchbook, especially the insects on folio 7 and Christ in Majesty on 16:

https://www.medievalists.net/2024/12/sketchbook-villard-honn...

Medieval art is very stylised, but the quality of the lines, the details in the clothes, the crispness of the composition, all that requires a lot of skill. Check out Jean Bondol’s work for instance https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/tapisserie-de-l-apoc...

You may not like the style, but being able to produce works like that requires you to be good at art on some level.

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Der_Einzigelast Thursday at 4:26 PM

So were the Japanese better at painting circa the 1700s and 1800s? Because you got a whole lot of paints of, uhhh, octopi…

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watwutyesterday at 8:04 AM

The medieval art was better then those cave paintings. Like, common.

> Europeans between about 500 and 1300 mostly couldn't paint.

They could. And they had wide variety of what they painted and how.

archagonlast Thursday at 7:01 PM

Utterly bizarre to claim that a diverse group of people within an 800-year period were simply “bad at art.”

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lo_zamoyskilast Thursday at 9:06 PM

Your exposure to medieval art must be very limited. I have seen some very magnificent pieces of medieval art personally. And paintings are a small part of what falls under "medieval art". Include those in the category, please.

And there is another element to consider, which is the purpose of the art. Medieval art was not concerned so much with realism, but with the symbolic.

I wonder: do you think Byzantine icons "suck"? I suspect you do.

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