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margalabargalalast Friday at 8:37 PM6 repliesview on HN

I am dearly hoping that they are using the current "AI" craze to talk up the machine learning methods they have presumably been using for a decade at this point, and not that they have actually integrated an LLM into a weather model.


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sigmarlast Friday at 9:59 PM

Graphcast (the model this is based on) has been validated in weather models for a while[1]. It uses transformers, much like LLMs. Transformers are really impressive at modeling a variety of things and have become very common throughout a lot of ML models, there's no reason to besmirch these methods as "integrating an LLM into a weather model"

[1] https://github.com/google-deepmind/graphcast

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Legend2440last Friday at 10:03 PM

It’s not an LLM, but it is genAI. It’s based on the same idea of predict-the-next-thing, but instead of predicting words it predicts the next state of the atmosphere from the current state.

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lukeschlatherlast Friday at 10:04 PM

The GraphCast paper says "GraphCast is implemented using GNNs" without explaining that the acronym stands for Graph Neural Networks. It contrasts GNNs to the " convolutional neural network (CNN)" and "graph attention network." (GAN?) It doesn't really explain the difference between GAN and a GNN. I think LLMs are GANs. So no, it's not an LLM in a weather model, but it's very similar to an LLM in terms of how it is trained.

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optimalsolveryesterday at 12:53 AM

You're absolutely right! That was a category 5. Thanks for pointing that out.

idontwantthislast Friday at 9:22 PM

Hopefully they weren’t all forced out this year. The NOAA had massive cuts.

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username223last Friday at 9:08 PM

Same. I hope this was written by hardened greybeards who have dedicated their lives to weather prediction and atmospheric modeling, and have "weathered" a few funding cycles.

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