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strangegeckoyesterday at 1:07 PM4 repliesview on HN

China is decidedly anti democratic and authoritarian. They're also preparing for military activities to expand their territory.

It's not that each country needs to develop their own, but it is prudent to not depend on those who have a fundamentally different and incompatible world view.


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throw310822yesterday at 3:13 PM

> China is decidedly anti democratic and authoritarian

Let's also say that democracy is very important internally. But as a EU citizen (or even better as a middle east citizen) whether they're democratic or authoritarian makes very little difference to me- I don't get a say in what they do. And in the case of the ME, it wasn't China or its allies that reduced several countries to rubble, it was the democratic US.

> it is prudent to not depend on those who have a fundamentally different and incompatible world view

There are no such things as "incompatible world view" but certainly closer or more distant ones. And I think the fundamental values of the US are pretty far away from those of the EU.

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klabb3yesterday at 1:45 PM

> it is prudent to not depend on those who have a fundamentally different and incompatible world view.

Like Saudi Arabia and formerly the Saddam regime (when he sold oil in USD)?

While compatible world view is used as an argument against diplomatic and economic relations, in reality it’s just a bonus, not a requirement. What’s important is plain old cost benefit and national interests. The US is still a better ally for EU than China, but it’s gotten drastically worse fast. And while China has territorial ambitions, they are nowhere near EU. The US is the good old status quo ”devil you know”, but it’s abundantly evident now that nobody really knew them, including many of their own political elites domestically.

On diplomacy timescales, ignoring China because of human rights concerns is exceptionally short-sighted, both for EU if US continues current path, and for global stability in case conflicts escalate between China and US. There is no choice that guarantees EU will have a strong ”human rights” ally in 10 years.

re-thcyesterday at 1:31 PM

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