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sdoeringyesterday at 4:15 PM2 repliesview on HN

Does it matter, when CF is collecting all that already before people even reach your site?


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zbentleyyesterday at 7:46 PM

Does CF matter, when intermediate ISPs are collecting IP address and DNS query activity and can be subpoenaed?

The answer to both this and parent is yes: partial privacy improvements are still improvements. There are two big reasons for this and many smaller reasons as well:

First, legal actors prioritize who to take action against; some cases are “worth seeing if $law-enforcement-agency can get logs from self-hosted or colo’d servers with minimal legal trouble” but not “worth subpoenaing cloudflare/a vpn provider/ISP for logs that turned out not to be stored on the servers that received the traffic“.

Second, illegal actors are a lot more likely to break into your servers and be able to see traffic information than they are to be able to break into cloudflare/vpn/ISP infrastructure. Sure, most attackers aren’t interested in logs. But many of the kind of websites whose logs law enforcement is interested in are also interesting to blackmailers.

dylan604yesterday at 8:14 PM

If the authorities come to TFA site with demands, they can't do anything about what CF is doing. All they can do is turn over what they have, and/or prove they don't have what is being asked of them. What some 3rd party does is not germane at all.