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cogman10yesterday at 6:03 PM3 repliesview on HN

> While it is a human right to own property and use it to rationally pursue one's self-interests, that does not mean that capitalism in its current form is conducive to that for the greatest number of people, or to the evolution of other human rights in the societies in which capitalism is practiced.

I'd argue that communism is the only system of government that guarantees property for all. That's somewhat a core tenant that every member in a communist society collectively owns everything.

Capitalism is optimized to reduce or eliminate property access. For example, a free market capitalist has no problems with a very rich individual buying a city and perpetually renting the property to it's employees at rates above their salary, putting them in perpetual debt to that individual. They own nothing and can't escape their circumstances. Nor can their children.

Capitalism with minimal or no regulation naturally devolves into feudalism.


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JumpCrisscrossyesterday at 6:24 PM

> a core tenant that every member in a communist society collectively owns everything

Everyone owns the world oceans (“common heritage of humanity”). How is that going for its fisheries and sea bottoms.

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mopsiyesterday at 9:41 PM

  > I'd argue that communism is the only system of government that guarantees property for all. That's somewhat a core tenant that every member in a communist society collectively owns everything.
This year, I knit a scarf for a friend as a Christmas gift. He already owns several scarves, unlike some other people who own none, but might need one more than he does. How is that collective ownership supposed to work here? Are you going to take that scarf away from me and "assign" it to someone you deem more deserving? I'll resist and you'll have to take it from me by force. And if you do, I'll stop knitting altogether, because why bother if I never get the chance to gift it to my friend. What are you going to do when you need the next scarf, force me to work?

If the answer is "yes", you've just reinvented a communist dictatorship. If it's a "no", then such society will run out of food and goods, and something better will rise to replace it.

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psunavy03yesterday at 6:12 PM

Communism as such has never existed and will never exist because it ignores human nature. Private property rights are a fundamental tenet of human psychology.

But hey, in defiance of 100+ years of failed attempts, if you want to see Politburos putting people in gulags again for being counterrevolutionaries . . . sure, give it another go.

Capitalism is the worst economic system that has ever been tried . . . except for all the others.

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