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kklisurayesterday at 6:27 PM12 repliesview on HN

And let me share this reply by Garry Tan, CEO of YC, after someone made a comment that Flock might be _pretty dystopian_ [1][2]:

> You're thinking Chinese surveillance

> US-based surveillance helps victims and prevents more victims

[1] https://x.com/neurajordan/status/1963303084609966288

[2] https://x.com/garrytan/status/1963310592615485955


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MSFT_Edgingtoday at 2:47 PM

In the book "Blockchain Chicken Farm", American Journalist Xiaowei Wang went to her parents' home country of China to interview various parts of the economy to get an understanding of how it works from an outsider's perspective.

In one part of the book, she goes to speak to a police chief on the topic of surveillance. She discusses with the officer the challenges of tracking migrant workers, and how in China there isn't a single ID number similar to an SSN in the states.

Towards the end of the interview, the officer, Xiaoli comments that much of the modernizing of the policing work is moving to be more "United States-Like".

leeoniyayesterday at 6:42 PM

> You're thinking Chinese surveillance

the big irony, of course, is that i'm much more comfortable with China surveilling me than the US, since the latter can throw me in jail, seize my assets, and ruin my family's life, while the former cannot.

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femiagbabiakayesterday at 7:19 PM

Another sign of Chinese ideological dominance is that nobody can conceive of a future that does not mimic China's solutions to social problems. Trump says frequently that he's jealous of Xi's position as dictator, tech firms envy 996 culture, public safety advocates are pivoting to restricting internet speech and constant surveillance.. etc. etc.

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isoprophlexyesterday at 6:47 PM

jesus fuck the gloves really came off in the past few years. noone even cares to hide it anymore.

i could almost admire the transparency of these people, the way they're apparently okay accepting collateral damage of their schemes, up to the complete destruction of the fabric of society... as long as there's money to be made.

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GaryBlutoyesterday at 7:41 PM

You don't understand, when software has support for Chinese characters it is automatically 150% more dystopian.

YY34798347329today at 12:38 AM

This isn't a surprising sentiment when you consider America is a country that protects billionaire pedophiles who partied on Epstein Island while China puts corrupt billionaires in the slammer, or even executes them. America is a country that exists to keep him rich at the expense of the poor while China does the reverse - its the greatest threat to his continued class dominance over the proles.

saubeidlyesterday at 7:12 PM

American venture capitalism ironically creates all of the same authoritarian issues as Chinese state capitalism, but without any of the lifting hundreds of millions of people out of poverty part.

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dzhiurgisyesterday at 8:54 PM

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embedding-shapeyesterday at 6:33 PM

I've never heard about this Tan guy before, I don't keep up with politics/corporatism anymore, but is that possibly sarcasm? It sure feels like it to me. But again, I don't know this person, but if I came across that by itself I feel like it's pretty clearly sarcastic, as Twitter tends to be. Maybe I'm just tone deaf myself to how tone deaf others could be?

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