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j45today at 3:23 AM1 replyview on HN

Appreciate the thoughtful reply.

I'm not sure its entirely uncharted territory.

TV channels used to get managed. Magazines used to get managed.

There is a lot more volume now, obviously.

Tools like Circle can provide some level of family level DNS which can help.

Something that stands out is also helping parents get a handle on their own consumption and habits to be able to better teach kids on what to look out for.


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sfRattantoday at 5:16 AM

The conceptual frontier of a world of networked computers is uncharted, and we are in the well along into that dark frontier now. I don't think TV or magazines are a good point of comparison, nor anything from the analog world of yesterday.

Analog mass media couldn't dynamically adapt itself to individual viewer proclivities in order to attract attention. Parents can understand that children shouldn't watch TV at night because society has agreed to constrain more mature programming to when children are mostly asleep. We can understand not to leave a Playboy magazine lying around in reach of children or, better, not to have such things in a family home at all. But digital media defies more than convention... It defies all points of reference a human computer-layperson might have in the analog world that could help to understand it fully.

Try to explain to someone on the street the sorts of things that are and are not possible with computers and networks, and why various things fall into one or the other category. Watch their eyes glaze over. Absent points of reference and useful context it's almost anticomprehensible.

>Something that stands out is also helping parents get a handle on their own consumption and habits to be able to better teach kids on what to look out for.

Strongly agree. I've always shied away from algorithmically managed feeds and dark patterns. It felt instinctual to me but I think those instincts were born from coming to understand computers at a young age. Humanity at large has basically zero instincts for the digital world... Yet. Square one may be feeling the difference when you cut slopfeed content and targeted advertising out of your life. Square two may be new, computer-age fables to cultivate those instincts among those who aren't (and largely won't ever be) deeply computer literate. The sort of parables every single American grew up deciphering in McGuffey readers, once upon a time, but concerning things like, "a person can pretend to be anyone online, and that can cause trouble," or, "the boy who gave away his secrets could never get them back."