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postepowanieadmyesterday at 9:51 AM4 repliesview on HN

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estearumyesterday at 1:10 PM

This is an interesting question because it goes to show you just how hard it is to know how or why the government is using its power to deprive people of life, liberty, or property.

I wonder if we could set up a system where the government has an opportunity to share its evidence and the public gets an opportunity to scrutinize it on a case-by-case basis so they can fully understand whether their government is acting appropriately.

Just a random little thought I had...

b00ty4breakfastyesterday at 1:53 PM

does it matter? they were Venezuelans and they were sent to El Salvador. I know that some folks just lump all Latinos into one bucket but Venezuela and El Salvador are, in fact, not the same country.

beepbooptheoryyesterday at 1:32 PM

Hmm maybe walk us through this. If they were convicted of crimes in other countries, is the idea here that they have escaped their punishment? Like thats a significant concern? Seems like a lot of prison breaks!

Or is it that perhaps they were convicted but not punished enough (for us), so we have to correct that?

Or something else? If they were convicted of a crime in another country, it suggests that justice has been doled out already, right?

hashstringyesterday at 10:30 AM

Watch the video or read this report from Human Rights Watch [1].

> The Trump administration claimed that the majority of Venezuelans sent to CECOT were members of the Venezuelan organized crime group Tren de Aragua.

> Only [3.1% of the 226/252 Venezuelan prisoners in CECOT] had been convicted of a violent or potentially violent offense.

> Human Rights Watch reviewed documents in 58 of the 130 documented cases of people held in CECOT, and all indicated that they did not have criminal records in Venezuela or other countries in Latin America.

CECOT was already found to violate the UN’s minimum treatment of prisoners rights (aka “The Nelson Mandela Rules”) [2] by a report of the US.

Trump’s administration blatantly violates human rights.

Finally, here is a report investigating why the US can use the El Salavador prison [3].

> It has been clear from the beginning what Trump wants from El Salvador: an ally who would accept, and even imprison, deportees. Less clear has been what Bukele might want from the United States. In striking the deal with the Salvadoran president, Trump has effectively undercut the Vulcan investigation and shielded Bukele from further scrutiny, current and former U.S. officials said.

[1] https://www.hrw.org/report/2025/11/12/you-have-arrived-in-he...

[2] https://www.unodc.org/documents/justice-and-prison-reform/Ne...

[3] https://www.propublica.org/article/bukele-trump-el-salvador-...