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danglast Tuesday at 6:22 PM1 replyview on HN

It's hardly secret—it's on the /lists page which is referenced in the footer of every page on HN.

It simply isn't the frontpage, for reasons that ought to be obvious to anyone who has read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. How you guys turn this into sinister suppression continues to escape me.

Edit: perhaps this will help:

HN is designed to downweight sensational-indignant stories, internet dramas, and riler-uppers, for the obvious reason that if we didn't, then they would dominate HN's frontpage like they dominate the rest of the internet. Anyone who spends time here (or has read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html) knows that this is not what the site is for. The vast majority of HN readers like HN for just this reason. It is not some arbitrary switch that we could just flip, if only we would stop being censoriously sinister. It's essential to the operation of the site.

(copied from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46366656)


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mdhblast Tuesday at 6:51 PM

The level of discrepancy between the rules as they are written and how things work in reality is miles apart. Every day.

Edit: since I can’t reply because my account was throttled for “posting too past” with a whopping 5 comments in the last 24 hours. Allow me to paste it here…

It would probably help if I were to bring a bit more specificity to my accusations here so we aren’t just talking about an abstract concept.

I’m making the claim:

1. The active page (what people are actually engaging with) and the front page (mods choice) regularly are regularly out of sync not just in general but in very specific and consistent ways.

2. There is a small group of people who intentionally use the flagging functionality in ways that have absolutely zero to do with the rules as they are written. People are incredibly open about this on a regular basis.

3. We are left with a de facto situation where that same small group are able to effectively censor what the rest of the community is allowed to talk about.

4. The moderation team seems to operate on the idea that everyone is just acting in good faith despite evidence to the contrary.

5. When the discrepancies between the rules as they are written and how things work in reality occur they are very rarely corrected by the moderation team and I don’t know what other conclusion to draw other than you seem to think that things are going great as they are and there’s no need to change anything.

6. You say the active page isn’t a secret but people are always saying they had no idea it existed. Surely you have some actual hard analytics numbers to show what percentage of logged in users visit the active page? I presume it’s in the single digits percentage wise but I’m open to being told otherwise.

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