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hylarideyesterday at 2:05 PM9 repliesview on HN

> The e-scooters that clutter up pavements may seem like a new thing, but a hundred years ago, there were already people zooming around London on powered scooters.

The problem is that we've given so much space to automobiles that there's no room for anything else (bikes, scooters, etc). Pedestrians have been given a sliver only because drivers need to walk between parking and their destination. This is true even in cities where the majority of people don't even drive!


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sheepscreekyesterday at 2:20 PM

Probably cause modern logistics, especially last mile logistics, is dependent on trucks/delivery vans/etc. So even though folks in a local area might like to walk around, their groceries won’t make it to the stores and packages won’t get to their homes without a robust road network.

I think Bacerlona hits a good compromise. The city has the concept of a superblock, which is a few city blocks grouped into one calm zone. Most car traffic stays on the streets around the outside, the perimeter of the superblock. Inside, driving is restricted and only at low speeds where allowed, so people and bikes get the space. So deliveries and residents can still but only slowly.

That’s far from the only example - many cities in Asia follow a similar model.

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crazygringoyesterday at 2:44 PM

> This is true even in cities where the majority of people don't even drive!

I dunno... in New York City there are an awful lot of bike lanes now:

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.7355559,-73.9921499,13z/data...

There's still room for a lot more, but plenty of space has been taken away from automobiles precisely for bikes, scooters, etc. It's trending in the right direction. Especially now that bike lanes are increasingly being designed with parking between the bike land and vehicle lanes.

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k4rliyesterday at 7:10 PM

Problem isn't the cars. Stop buying uselessly oversized SUVs, and trucks in case of muricans.

A Fiat 500/Panda is perfectly fine in cities.

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Sam6lateyesterday at 5:48 PM

The same case was in Italy, and calendars of Vespa were awesome back in the 70s ''Piaggio (maker of Vespa) had had its Pontedera (Italy) factory (where they used to make bomber planes) bombed during the conflict. Italy had it’s aircraft industry restricted to a great extent as part of the ceasefire agreement with the allies. Enrico Piaggio, son of the founder of the company Rinaldo Piaggio, decided to leave the aeronautical field behind and address the people’s need for an economic mode of transport. The idea was to make a scooter utilitarian and appealing enough to the masses. Till that time, scooters were mainly used by the military for quick on-ground transportation (you might have seen this in some Call of Duty games). So, two Piaggio engineers, Renzo Spolti and Vittorio Casini, took to their whiteboard and designed the first-ever Vespa, or maybe not quite. Mr. Piaggio was disappointed with the initial scooter. The scooter was named Paperino, and looking at the photo, you can understand Mr. Piaggios disappointment.' https://www.vespalicious.com/gallery/

tim333yesterday at 4:56 PM

In central London the cars are restricted quite a bit. In places like Soho and Oxford St they are more cluttered with pedestrians than cars.

hexbin010yesterday at 6:22 PM

For real. Loads of places in the UK are in desperate need of wider paths. Some probably haven't changed for 100 years except for making them narrower with stupid full height advertising screens (a travesty and civic vandalism by the councils)

wakawaka28yesterday at 5:53 PM

I'm sure they went away because it's a fad or the costs/benefits don't balance, not because there is no space for them. This is evident by the fact that we have scooters in abundance now!

echelonyesterday at 4:52 PM

Despite city dwellers hating on cars and wanting complete streets, cars are poised to win even bigger when self driving becomes widespread.

Our roads and highways will metamorphose into logistics corridors and optimal public transit systems.

Everything will be delivered same hour. The cost of this will drop and entire new business models will be built on top of the "direct to you" model.

Self-driving cars will replace public transit. They connect every destination on demand. Short hops, cross-country long-haul. Waymo alikes will become cheaper than the city bus.

Van life will accelerate. People will live in their automated vans and SUVs. They'll become luxury and status items for knowledge workers who are constantly conveying themselves coast to coast, from cozy fire pits by the sea to hidden mountain getaways. Life in America will become one of constant travel, because we can take our life with us without lifting a finger. People will have large home bases in the affordable suburbs - possibly one on each coast. They'll wine and dine in the city, then be off to hike the next day.

Life will turn into adventure and it'll be accessible to almost everyone. Rich, poor. Young, old. Busy, retired.

Nobody will lift a finger for any of this.

We're going to want more roads.

Bikes don't stand a chance. They're inequitable. Old people, pregnant people, sick people, and children are all left out. They suck in the rain and the snow. You can't move anything of size or scale.

Automated self driving cars will win.

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reactordevyesterday at 3:05 PM

But this has been true every hundred years or so as technology changes and those that are building infrastructure know nothing else.

2000s : Damn these cars clogging up the road!

1900s : Damn these buggies clogging up the road!

1800s : Damn these carriages clogging up the road!

1700s : Damn these horses clogging up the road!

1600s : Damn these " " " " "

100BC : Damn these romans clogging up the road!

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