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cogman10yesterday at 6:59 PM9 repliesview on HN

> the battery retained 81.9% of its initial capacity after 100 cycles

That's really terrible.

It's interesting, but 20% loss after 100 cycles is just not great. NMC gets that at near 1000 cycles. LFP gets that at near 5000 cycles.


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flerchinyesterday at 7:49 PM

Seemingly adequate for certain drone applications like in Ukraine. They may only need a couple charge cycles, and 4x the capacity is huge.

oofbaroomfyesterday at 7:01 PM

20% loss isn't too bad if you start out at double the capacity though.

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ok_dadyesterday at 8:10 PM

I think this would be perfect for race cars. We might be getting closer to a serious EV endurance series.

atomicthumbsyesterday at 7:59 PM

And how much commercial development have NMC and LFP batteries had since they left the laboratory?

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Reason077yesterday at 7:07 PM

> "That's really terrible."

Not really. At 1270 Wh/L, even with 20% degradation, these cells still retain far more energy than a LFP cell (which are more like 350 Wh/L).

The question is, what happens at 200, 500, 1000 cycles? Does the degradation continue linearly or does it slow down? ... or accelerate?

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cyberaxyesterday at 7:26 PM

A car with this battery can easily have a 1000-mile range (a real one, not EPA). So 100 full cycles would still mean 100k miles!

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u8080yesterday at 7:09 PM

Perfect for kamikaze drones probably

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mschuster91yesterday at 7:24 PM

> It's interesting, but 20% loss after 100 cycles is just not great. NMC gets that at near 1000 cycles. LFP gets that at near 5000 cycles.

NMC and LFP had similar issues when these chemistries were at laboratory scale. Give it time and the issues will be solved.