Loosely held, remember? No need to be so strident. The browbeating is a bit much, you should be more humble.

Regime change in the noble pursuit of upholding the status quo, that is to say, the rules-based liberal order - liberal democracy - is a muddy, murky, dirty business. Some see that dying system of control as rotten to the core.

I do. I see it as the same system waging optional wars kinetic and psychological home and abroad in the attempt to cling to power.

And more agree with me every day.