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goldsteinqyesterday at 8:56 PM3 repliesview on HN

I’m definitely not “commiting malpractice” on account of not being a security practicioner. I’m talking from a perspective of a user.

It’s important to me — as a user — that a communication tool doesn’t lose my data, and Signal already did. Actual practicioners keep recommending Signal and sure, I believe that in a weird scenario where my encryption keys are somehow compromised without also compromising my local message history, Signal’s double-ratchet will do wonders — but it doesn’t actually work as a serious communication tool.

It’s also kinda curious that while the “email cannot be made secure” mantra is constantly repeated online, basically every organization that needs secure communication uses email. Openwall are certainly practicioners, and they use PGP-over-email: are they commiting malpractice?


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akerl_yesterday at 9:14 PM

> but it doesn’t actually work as a serious communication tool.

Say more. Plenty of people use Signal as a serious communication tool.

> Openwall are certainly practicioners, and they use PGP-over-email: are they commiting malpractice?

They, and other communities that use GPG-encrypted emails are LARPing, and it’s only fine because their emails don’t actually matter enough for anybody to care about compromising them.

It’s not malpractice to LARP: plenty of people love getting out their physical or digital toys and playing pretend. But if you’re telling other people that your foam shield can protect them from real threats, you are lying.

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joshuamortonyesterday at 9:58 PM

Very few organizations need security from state level or similar threats and the infrastructure provider. Most organizations that want secure email don't use any kind of e2ee at all, they just trust Google or Microsoft or whomever.

The few jobs that actually care about this stuff, like journalists, do use signal.

Openwall doesn't get security via pgp, it gets a spam filter.

tptacekyesterday at 9:01 PM

Yes.