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jmward01today at 4:11 PM12 repliesview on HN

I am not against doing research in this area, please do, it is interesting and likely has many applications but global CO2 removal isn't one of them. Nothing proposed, including this, is within any orders of magnitude of a viable solution. The only solution we have is put less in the air in the first place. This tech looks interesting for transporting CO2 but that doesn't mean it sequesters it and even if sequestration was solved the scales here are massive. If we don't have the political will to reduce the amount going into the air then what makes anyone think we would have the political will to build out some system to capture and sequester? We need to focus more on not putting CO2 into the air and less on trying to take it out.


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akshatjiwantoday at 5:54 PM

I think you have a point. It could be difficult to justify the cost of carbon capture based on sequestration alone. One of the reasons I think this might still work is that captured carbon can be used to create platform chemicals (various hydrocarbons) using the fischer tropsch process. Electrofuels are using direct air capture to generate fossil replacements.

Only requirement is energy and there too it isn't all that expensive to pull air in from the atmosphere or to seperate CO2 from adsorbent via low grade heat (70-100c)

So far into the future this method could allow us to continue produce critical hydrocarbon materials (used everywhere from plastics to pharamaceuticals) without having to depend upon concentrated and contested oil supplies.

More than energy efficiency its volumetric efficiency that's the issue. At the moment (to the best of my knowledge) kg of capturing materials capture tens of grams of CO2. Pulling it from air is not that energy intensive but finding materials that can actually filter out CO2 from that air is difficult. If breakthroughs are made in this area it will have industrial applications. Then it won't be just sequestering.

Of course the easier solution is to plant more trees and grasses but they grow very slowly and require valuable land. Still this approach is feasible in some uncultivable lands. Crops like cottongrass[1] can grow even in tundra climate and can be valuable source of both technically imp carbon via cellulose and a means to capture CO2. We don't have to make a choice. We can do both simultaneously.

[1] https://www.fs.usda.gov/database/feis/plants/graminoid/eriva...

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ctothtoday at 4:25 PM

> If we don't have the political will to reduce the amount going into the air then what makes anyone think we would have the political will to build out some system to capture and sequester?

Because political will requires coordination, building systems and turning them on doesn't have to!

> We need to focus more on not putting CO2 into the air and less on trying to take it out.

What part of the "we" in this coordination problem doesn't require political will?

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nine_ktoday at 4:17 PM

Sequestering CO2 where it's highly concentrated, e.g. at power plants or cement factories exhausts, would be one way to emit less.

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imoverclockedtoday at 4:48 PM

There are applications where weight still makes battery storage impossible. By capturing carbon, we may give ourselves the ability to harvest fuel from the air instead of the ground. Given the sometimes negative cost of electricity, this could make it more cost effective to do so. If we replace fossil fuel drilling with sequestration then we are at net zero.

This may be part of the solution … or maybe we find a way to make a utopia where we can all agree to just stop polluting. Historically, the utopia has no precedent that I am aware of.

graemetoday at 4:24 PM

We'll need this tech later. If and when we get emissions to net zero we'll still have too much CO2 in the air. Better to have begun the research now.

abraaetoday at 6:22 PM

Removing CO2 from the air is a pipe dream for several obvious reasons.

Firstly, it will always be more difficult and energy-intensive to extract CO2 than to just stop putting it into the atmosphere in the first place. Yet the world is nowhere near agreeing any meaningful framework on reducing emissions, and the party in power in the largest democracy in the world is in denial that a problem even exists.

But mainly, if there was an effective means of CO2 removal, who will be in charge of the dials, and who will set the targets?

Atmospheric CO2 is now 50% higher than when I was born. Will we go back to the levels as at the 60s, or perhaps the beginning of the industrial revolution? Obviously that is unfavorable to the frozen regions that are now thawing - like Russia (and Greenland), who benefit from climate change.

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aaronblohowiaktoday at 4:29 PM

We need this even if emissions went to zero overnight. World is a big place, can do more than one thing at a time.

maddmanntoday at 4:33 PM

Unfortunately, Technological solutions are more politically feasible than attempting to reduce via restrictions and regulations that require intense global coordination that does not exist.

fillskillstoday at 4:38 PM

There are 4 different categories of fixing the global CO2 challenge: a. Remove CO2 from atmosphere b. Prevent adding new CO2 from reaching atmosphere

This could also be a good use case for #b where CO2 is captured before being released to the atmosphere. For example factories and vehicles could be mandated to use this.

ameliustoday at 5:58 PM

You might think it is silly to do this, but what if carbon emission trading makes this profitable?

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lenkitetoday at 4:36 PM

Maybe we need to genetically engineer special of trees that are active only during the day and sleep at night. Photosynthesis at daytime and Dormancy at nighttime for maximum CO2 conversion.

vascotoday at 4:37 PM

There's no general will, it's not specifically political will. Emitting less CO2 means doing less things or doing them for much more money due to high taxes to discourage it (and also disproportionately affect poor people). Other than some luddites I've never met anyone that genuinely was willing to sacrifice eating a nice steak or going on vacation unless they are millionaires, and that's only because those people know they can do it as much as they want. You have a huge mass of people getting lifted from poverty that will tell you to fuck off if you tell them that now they are finally out of eating rice and starving they can't have a steak, because of CO2.

All the things silicon valley "caviar communists" say you need to stop doing are basically the dreams of a whole mass of people coming out of poverty. Nice food, traveling, having a car, having A/C, etc.

So we can either find alternatives, or slowly figure out more geoengineering projects like mass absorbing CO2 and the like.

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