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Love your customers

97 pointsby chmaynardlast Wednesday at 9:27 PM32 commentsview on HN

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bfrogtoday at 2:05 AM

It turns out that you don’t have to love your customers to make money. Abuse is the end state of most products once they’ve reached a point where there are few if any customers left to enthrall but still the world demands ever greater profit. VMware was and is there. Intel too actually.

charcircuittoday at 1:24 AM

>suing your customers is gross

It's not gross, lawsuits are how you keep both parties honest. If you never sue your customers you are letting them walk over you and exploit you.

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Centigonalyesterday at 8:24 PM

Love you Bryan, but:

> Companies that have disdain for their own customers will be reviled in return. Such companies may be able to thrive in the short term, but they do not endure in the limit.

Oracle has endured nearly 50 years. Sun did not endure.

I don't want to live in a world where one of the most successful and widespread corporate strategies is also disturbingly un-humanistic, but we're never going to find a better way unless our mental models for how customer relationships map to business success actually align with reality.

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throwaway010126today at 1:45 AM

As someone who was at Oracle pre & post Sun acquisition, in sales of all roles (with a decade tenure there) … and then later at VMWare - Bryan lives in his own Reality Distortion and it’s quite unfortunate.

Engineering wise, brilliant.

But very much out of touch with reality.

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throwmeaway-x1yesterday at 11:14 PM

I work in infrastructure at one of the players in the lawsuits, I won't mention which one. Make no mistake, we are moving out of broadcom. We're not crawling back. There is enough technical skills to maneuver large infrastructure projects and cloud engineering. Our exit strategy began over a year and half ago. In hindsight it should have begun 8 years earlier after similar pricing issues with Wiley Introscope (which broadcom also acquired). But better late than never.

eductionyesterday at 3:58 PM

I admire Bryan and Oxide but outing your former coworker’s private conversation with you because they said something you didn’t like on email is, to use Bryan’s terminology, “gross.”

How many former Sun folks are in senior engineering management at Broadcom? Might as well have just posted the person’s name.

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vintagevibeyesterday at 9:14 AM

Odd framing for the opposite of “holding customers hostage” - I don’t think people want or need to be loved by their enterprise software.

Herringyesterday at 2:38 PM

I like the sentiment, I really do, but enshittification is a civilization-wide problem. It’s not solved by asking corporations to be nicer.

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adeeb39yesterday at 3:52 PM

Nice