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somenameformetoday at 7:15 AM3 repliesview on HN

The peace treaty will clarify that, but I think the more important thing is the establishment of a multipolar world order. That, in and of itself, can lead to conflict, but I also have some optimism that it might bring in a paradoxical peace in the same way that nuclear weapons did. The reason nukes have been good is because it makes it clear that war is unwinnable which effectively ended direct conflict between world powers. Yet of course proxy wars are alive and well with Ukraine being the king of them all. And the US may be unable to defeat Russia in this war, but it's also equally unlikely that Russia could defeat the US in a similar scenario. So, "The only winning move is not to play."

Of course this says nothing at all about relatively small regional conflicts, but in the grand scheme of things I'm far more concerned about WW3 than I am about these. That's not to understate the impact of what can (and is) happening in these sort of conflicts, but at the end of the day I don't think humanity will ever 'evolve' beyond war, and so in the mean time I think the goal should be to not end our species over something that will inevitably look like a pointless waste of life in a few decades. Keep in mind that WW1 was unironically called 'The War to End All Wars' before we started attaching an ordinal to it.


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wiseowisetoday at 9:11 AM

> Fearmorgering about WW3

> multipolar world

> nuclear rhetoric

> proxy war

Typical Russian schizophrenia to justify another conquest. How much are you getting per comment? 40 rubles?

plastic3169today at 9:39 AM

> The reason nukes have been good is because it makes it clear that war is unwinnable which effectively ended direct conflict between world powers. Yet of course proxy wars are alive and well with Ukraine being the king of them all.

Not looking forward to being your proxywar or small regional conflict. It’s amazingly frustrating to be dragged into this without any provocation or possibility to actually affect the situation. Just unfortunate geography I guess.

I don’t think nukes stopped the direct conflict between world powers. They made it possible for the first time. There is no reach to US without them.

War in Europe or parts of Asia is easy the old fashioned way and seems to happen on a regular basis.

krigetoday at 7:34 AM

The peace treaty? What peace treaty? Multipolar world order is a buzzword that failed states like Russia certainly like to spout on their media channels to try and prove that they are not complete failures, and that in fact losing a million people to barely advance a frontline over 3 years is just and necessary. At this point they should be really worried about China just waltzing in on Siberia and taking whatever they need.