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StefanBatorylast Saturday at 7:39 AM14 repliesview on HN

How does this differ from Russia invading Ukraine?

We have to wake up to the world where USA no longer cares about ideals like liberal democracy or allies, but is a warmongering corporatist autocracy.


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cosmicgadgetlast Saturday at 7:45 AM

We won't know for a while but I don't imagine there will be mass civilian graves, abducted children, or the intent to annex the country. This is probably more about oil and deposing Maduro.

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biggestloulast Saturday at 7:58 AM

Ukraine didn’t hold an election in which the results were simply ignored by the leader in power

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computerexlast Saturday at 7:42 AM

It’s not any different. I have totally lost my faith in America as an American.

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lII1lIlI11lllast Saturday at 8:15 AM

> How does this differ from Russia invading Ukraine?

As a Ukrainian I would assume US forces don't intend to conduct a campaign of mass murder, rape and looting, and US government overall doesn't plan genocide and erasure of national identity of Venezuela together with annexation of its territories?

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stackedinserterlast Saturday at 4:13 PM

Russia's goal is to destroy Ukraine as nation and a country, because there's no "Ukrainians", there's no "Ukrainian language", and every country that speaks Russian should be controlled by Russian tsar. That's why they don't care and demolish ("liberate") Ukraine, town after town.

Do US do/want the same for Venezuela?

whatever1last Saturday at 8:02 AM

For one the whole country of Ukraine is fighting like hell for almost 4 years following the orders of their elected government to defend their country.

If Russia was on the right, the people of Ukraine would have just hanged Zelenskyy and his gov, instead of sending their children to the meat grinder.

Let’s see if Venezuelans will put their lives on the line to protect the regime.

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eternauta3klast Saturday at 7:52 AM

> How does this differ from Russia invading Ukraine?

Cynically: maybe Venezuela will get a bit less sympathy because it's a somewhat shittier (see emigration numbers) and less democratic government than Ukraine's. And I suspect we have a more positive view of US troops than Russian troops, despite everything (Abu Ghraib is seen as an aberration and not as the normal way of working).

big-and-smalllast Saturday at 8:47 AM

> How does this differ from Russia invading Ukraine?

Cynically it's different in that Trump hopefully will not going to kill 220,000+ and leave 500,000+ war invalids of US military personnel in process. Though you never know...

_pferreir_last Saturday at 1:28 PM

It does differ, in ways that many others listed below. That doesn't make it any legitimate, though.

meindnochlast Saturday at 12:45 PM

A surgical strike that was over before the news broke out vs. a 4-year campaign of plundering with literal criminals, press-ganged foreigners, and chechen blocking detachments, featuring mass rape, executed civilians, abduction and forced reeducation of thousands of children, gross mistreatment of PoW, etc.

Hmmmm... indeed, hard to tell the difference!

SpicyLemonZestlast Saturday at 7:53 AM

Emphasizing that I’m not defending this war at all, but one key difference I’m extremely confident in is that the US will not attempt to annex its favorite regions of Venezuela.

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conradojordanlast Saturday at 4:45 PM

"We have to wake up to the world where USA no longer cares about <thing USA has never cared about>, but is a <things USA has always been>"

Mikhail_Edoshinlast Saturday at 8:23 AM

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DecoySalamanderlast Saturday at 10:56 AM

Another difference that has not been mentioned in other comments is that: The US is not completely delusional about its military capabilities and could actually complete this invasion in three days. In fact, it may already be over, as Maduro have been captured.