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monerozcashlast Saturday at 9:48 AM5 repliesview on HN

The obviously reply to that would be "The US forces were invited by the democratically elected Venezuelan leadership to put a stop to the ongoing coup"

The concept of "international law" here is pretty confusing because to begin with you'd need to choose who decides what counts as a violation of Venezuelas sovereignty. Presumably the people backed by the US are okay with this, and team Maduro isn't.

Presumably, if you were to agree that Maduro wasn't in fact the legitimate leader of Venezuela, you'd just consider this an internal issue with US helping in local law enforcement matters.

If you disagree and consider Maduro to be the legitimate president, presumably no amount of justification will help you see it differently. But then, I'm not sure anyone particularly cares about your opinion either.


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Arn_Thorlast Saturday at 11:43 AM

>The obviously reply to that would be "The US forces were invited by the democratically elected Venezuelan leadership to put a stop to the ongoing coup"

Were they? And is that the justification the US has cited? If not, you're writing fan fiction and that's not really interesting.

I'm not a supporter of totalitarian regimes including Maduro's, but the US has a track record of producing very poor outcomes for people in South America when they topple one leader in favor of a more--shall we say--"market friendly" character waiting in the wings.

As for international law, it is extremely clear, prohibiting the threat or use of force against the territorial integrity or political independence of any state. International law recognizes only two clear exceptions: self defense or a US Security Councul resolution.

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lawnlast Saturday at 10:06 AM

Yes, but that's not how they're justifying it.

They're talking about Venuzela stealing their oil (it's not) and of transporting drugs to the US (while pardoning drug king pins).

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petrelast Saturday at 1:53 PM

This is quite a bit like the invasion of Panama by US forces and the removal of Manuel Noriega from power. Except Noriega wasn't "elected" like Maduro and the US doesn't have a strategically important canal to protect in Venezuela.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_invasion_of_Pana...

Anyway, good riddance. Maybe the Trump Administration actually has a plan for peaceful transfer of power now that they removed Maduro? The US still needs to disrupt ELN drug operations, if that's what they're really after.

xocnadlast Saturday at 10:24 AM

There are many undemocratic and repressive regimes around the world. Trump has professed his admiration for various of these leaders. You can't seriously attribute noble goals of supporting democracy to him. Also, shouldn't he then be doing this in many other places in the world?

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alextinglelast Saturday at 1:48 PM

The criterion for "legitimate government" is very well established. It's "has effective control of the territory".

It's a low bar, and clearly one that the current Venezuelan government clears.